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Re: When will Google shut down Stadia?

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Post by Mindwipe »

sumeno wrote: post #149
juancn wrote: post #121

Cloud gaming is solution looking for a problem. It's not customer demand driven. Nobody want's cloud gaming (at least not yet). They haven't shown anything compelling why this would be a game changer for end users. The games are not more fun or unique than on any other platforms. Any of the cloud arguments also hold for consoles or PCs on internet connected games. I think the site may be a bit optimistic.

Every time someone posts "Nobody wants cloud gaming" half a dozen people come in and say "Actually, I want cloud gaming" Don't mistake the fact that you don't want cloud gaming for nobody wanting cloud gaming

> Don't mistake the fact that you don't want cloud gaming for nobody wanting cloud gaming

Also don't mistake half a dozen people on a tech forum as being indicative of a mass audience that's commercially sustainable for something.

Especially given HN is rather prone to imagine a product as turning out in a utopian perfect way rather than the more realistic "compromised by the requirement to be economically plausible" one.

Re: When will Google shut down Stadia?

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Post by endorphone »

40acres wrote: post #174

I understand the cynicism of this community to Stadia but implore you all to think a little broader. Stadia is different, with this product Google is trying something really innovative. For one, the fact that Stadia actually costs money should be a signal of Google's long term ambition here. Yes, Fiber also cost money but was bogged down by the hell that is infrastructure development. Stadia will require a substantia…

On the original rumors about Stadia I did think Google was going to revolutionize the industry, particularly in social/massively-multiple games. Starting with the development stack that would leverage a coherent, synchronized world that is massively malleable -- huge banks of systems connected in the microsecond latency range with virtually unlimited throughput, massive neural engines, etc. Destructables, enormous player counts, a completely dynamic environment, virtually eliminating cheating, etc -- it would change everything.

But then they come out with some hosted older games. Eh. Maybe the big reveal will come out eventually, but this far it's pretty disappointing.

Re: When will Google shut down Stadia?

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Post by JohnFen »

robbrown451 wrote: post #212
JohnFen wrote: post #99

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Language is defined by how people actually use it. If people are generally using and understanding "shutdown" as a verb (which has been true in the computer industry for at least 30 years), then it's a verb regardless of what language prescriptionists say.

I'm generally a descriptivist vs. a precriptionist, but this is a different thing. Is there anyone arguing that, just because many people write "there" when they mean "their", that we should consider it correct? To me this is the same. Can you show me anywhere "shutdown" is used as a verb (in the computer industry or otherwise) where it appears as a choice rather than a simple error? Like in the title of a well circu…

> Is there anyone arguing that, just because many people write "there" when they mean "their", that we should consider it correct?

Not yet. But if that becomes common enough, then that just becomes how the language is, like it or not. I personally would hate it and would be that annoying pedant who always calls it out, but if people mostly accept it, then I wouldn't really be in the right. When usage is in transition like that, it's these sorts of debates that determine what the end result will be.

My current pet peeve is the use of "literally" for emphasis rather than actually meaning literally. Although I will always object, this usage has become very accepted by people (below a certain age), and so I can't really say they're wrong in some sort of objective sense. But I'll complain anyway.

Re: When will Google shut down Stadia?

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Post by pfranz »

markstos wrote: post #371
fluidcruft wrote: post #241

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A few days ago I was researching a bug I was seeing using with xfce on chrome remote desktop. Apparently this was thoroughly solved in someone's Google+ post that everyone linked to. All I can see now is the Google+ termination notice. Thanks, Google.

Google was one party in that. The other was the person who choose to gave Google the content to post. When we choose to give content and power to a few, large, centralized organizations, that's on us.

What would you have expected them to do? Would you point to the user if Stack Overflow stopped hosting content? Or GitHub? Before places like imgur, I'd see forum postings linking to broken images hosted on personal sites--so self hosting is unfeasible. Geocities data is still around as well as Usenet postings going back to the 80s.

Re: When will Google shut down Stadia?

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Post by refik »

It sure sucks to invest in a product and then see it shut down. However, I like the idea of a company that constantly tries new things, iterates and is not afraid to pull the plug if it doesn't work rather then have hundreds of zombie products that suck the profits.

Re: When will Google shut down Stadia?

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Post by lonelappde »

bhauer wrote: post #378
heywoods wrote: post #303

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think I can help answer your question, but just watching the keynote will be best. https://youtu.be/hl-Y1QVhmcM . The tl;dr of the whole keynote is what's different about Google's attempt at 'Cloud Gaming' is their ability to leverage their infrastructure. Outside of Amazon and Microsoft I don't know of another company that will be able to match the latency and computation requirements to make this all work as mark…

Okay, but that's hardly what most would consider innovative. Applying their large scale is more of an evolution of or improvement to the established cloud gaming idea.

That's what the word "innovation" means.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Innovation

Re: When will Google shut down Stadia?

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Post by modwilliam »

danielbln wrote: post #172
juancn wrote: post #121

Cloud gaming is solution looking for a problem. It's not customer demand driven. Nobody want's cloud gaming (at least not yet). They haven't shown anything compelling why this would be a game changer for end users. The games are not more fun or unique than on any other platforms. Any of the cloud arguments also hold for consoles or PCs on internet connected games. I think the site may be a bit optimistic.

I want it, but I want the Netflix model. What I don't want is to buy games fullprice on their platform. Let me pay 10 bucks a month for a rich gaming catalog that I can play on anything from Mac, to phone to tablet and I'm going to use it.

That's what the Pro subscription may end up being. I believe you get 2 free games with it for now, and they'll be adding more

Re: When will Google shut down Stadia?

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Post by Mindwipe »

I honestly wonder what it will take at this point to change Google's culture of how they launch products.

They haven't had a success in a while, bluntly. Perhaps the "Google way" of launching a half finished product over vague windows and iterating after that doesn't actually work? Or if it ever worked, doesn't work now when Google isn't a plucky underdog and the products aren't competing with other unfinished platforms but often mature, feature complete alternatives?

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Post by UserIsUnused »

knodi123 wrote: post #317
gilrain wrote: post #118

The criticism of Google Stadia and the defense of its concept in this thread are correct. There is a successful future in cloud gaming and nobody denies that. However, it's extremely likely to be delivered by a company with both the technical chops and industry chops, including a deep existing library. Google only has one of those, and they didn't even nail the technical side convincingly. Look toward Microsoft or So…

> Look toward Microsoft or Sony instead "Playstation Now" came out years ago. You can stream games, or you can cache the executable locally if you have a dodgy connection or want to go offline. And if I'm reading this correctly, you don't need to pay for the individual games, either - just the service.

"Playstation now" was just a rebranded acquisition and is not fully released to be played on phones/ipads etc in all areas. Nor did it had half the markting of Stadia.

It's seemed more of a test bed, for something they plan to do together with the PS5

Re: When will Google shut down Stadia?

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Post by gilrain »

tasty_freeze wrote: post #391

This is a grammatical nitpick, but I see it over and over and over. The title says "When Will Google Shutdown Stadia?" It should be "Shut Down", which is a verb phrase. A "Shutdown" is a noun, eg, "There will be a shutdown in March." Another common example of this: You need to log in. (long in == verb) What is your login. (login == noun)

Embrace descriptivism or be forever an annoyed curmudgeon.
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