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Tesla’s European gigafactory will be built in Berlin

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Re: Tesla’s European gigafactory will be built in Berlin

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Labor law is federal and exactly the same.

But mentality is local and very different between for example Schwaben and Uckermark.

This subthread is not about a Swabian moving to Berlin, but about Tesla operating in Germany.

It is entirely about labor law ("Watching a SV company suddenly have to deal with German workers' rights"), not about whether the bread roll should be called "Weckle" or "Schrippe".

Re: Tesla’s European gigafactory will be built in Berlin

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No, this is bad news; it's a smaller version of the economic bomb/distortion of creating a google campus somewhere. This will be bad for everything from housing up to the general health of startup culture in Berlin. Desperate move by the economically starved Brandenburg. (and of course they won't suffer the consequences)

What consequences do you mean? I could imagine that the factory staff would often live closer to the site, in Brandenburg, not in Berlin which has housing problems and is accumulating more of them through rent regulation.

you can still live in Berlin and be close to the site and in that area of Berlin is is also less housing problems, if any.

Re: Tesla’s European gigafactory will be built in Berlin

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It is great news for Berlin (and Brandenburg) as it will bring (big) money and attract talent. It might even attract people from Poland which is only an hour drive away and has a large pool of very talented and experienced engineers. So far besides maybe Siemens there wasn't too much industry here, which is more present in the south of the country. Being outside of the city center it won't contribute too much to gent…

I absolutely do not want more tech companies gentrifying Berlin and continuing the encroachment of foreign corporate Neubauten. The amount of berlin for the working class is shrinking by the day and the culture that draws people to this city is being scrubbed out as a result. When the protests inevitably happen, as they did for the Google campus before it, I’ll be standing on the picket line.

It's delusional to think Berlin will forever be the leftist dreamland that it has been for the last 30 years. This change is inevitable and in the end creates value for the city. The problems can be solved in different ways than fighting against tech companies that want to create well paying jobs and pay a lot of taxes. This actually draws a lot of diversity to Berlin, almost none of my friends and coworkers are germans, not even europeans and i love that.

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Rumour has it that Amazon has a dedicated judge at the labour court in Munich. Just the existance of such a rumour is telling you a lot.

Because of their warehouse operations nearby or other functions? I always thought they treat people in their offices better than their warehouses?

There is only one warehouse nearby, Munich is the German HQ so. Let's just say that Amazon likes to use the applicable laws to the fullest. Sometimes that means getting an official verdict at court.

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But mentality is local and very different between for example Schwaben and Uckermark.

This subthread is not about a Swabian moving to Berlin, but about Tesla operating in Germany. It is entirely about labor law ("Watching a SV company suddenly have to deal with German workers' rights"), not about whether the bread roll should be called "Weckle" or "Schrippe".

Wrong, the culture shock in this thread was mentioned in relation to Tesla making Grohmann to ditch their other clients, which has nothing to do with labor law. This has to do with mentality, so there is not point for you playing the thread police here.

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Could build it on the old airport.

https://brandenburg-braucht-tegel.de/ There are a lot of Berliners who love Tegel and don't want it to close even when BBI is eventually open (whenever that may be). TXL is truly a fantastic airport, and would become even better when not overcrowded.

there are a lot of cool projects to be built in the area of Tegel, including more housing. My University wants/needs to expand its campus there too and people who bought apartments in the area would get screwed over if Tegel would stay. It needs to go.

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https://brandenburg-braucht-tegel.de/ There are a lot of Berliners who love Tegel and don't want it to close even when BBI is eventually open (whenever that may be). TXL is truly a fantastic airport, and would become even better when not overcrowded.

there are a lot of cool projects to be built in the area of Tegel, including more housing. My University wants/needs to expand its campus there too and people who bought apartments in the area would get screwed over if Tegel would stay. It needs to go.

How would people who bought apartments next to the airport get screwed over? Are you suggesting that a potentially-inaccurate prediction of the future was priced in?

Millions of more people use Tegel than use those apartments, and if they aren’t “screwed over” living near the airport today, they wouldn’t be if it stayed open.

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To be fair: 1. Brexit hasn't happened yet. I.e. UK has not been able to introduce policies that would make it a lot more competitive and friendly for business than the EU/Germany, make it friendlier for international talent, which is one of the opportunities created by Brexit. 2. We do not know what would have happened had Parliament and civil service been more positive and cooperative on Brexit. It could be a self-f…

Could the downvoters please explain the downvoting? Are you arguing that there is no scenario under which Brexit could make Britain a more attractive place for business than the EU or Germany?

I’m not OP, but I would argue that. There’s no realistic scenario in which leaving the single market makes Britain a more attractive place for (most) businesses.

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> I just don't understand why Tesla is slow in expanding to other countries. They don't have the capacity. Last quarter, they made as many M3s they have the capacity to make, and sold all of them. Opening new markets just means underserving the current ones more. They will start operations in new countries as they increase capacity and start saturating sales in their current ones.

> Last quarter, they made as many M3s they have the capacity to make, and sold all of them. We were told, repeatedly, that Tesla would be producing 10,000 Model 3s per week in 2019, with a single factory. Suddenly, now, they don't have the capacity at ~6,000 per week and need multiple factories on zero year-over-year growth?

Now, please be precise with wording. 2019 hasn't ended, and the 10000 figure was given with the second gigafactory in mind.(which will start production in this year, actually)

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Tesla is a small scale producer, so their market sizes can be quite small (Norway's population is 5 million and a key market). What drives the market is desire, money and charging. It seems Israel has the first two but hasn't got a good charging infrastructure yet. Once it does, combined with increased incentives for electric cars, I imagine it'll be a good market for them.

What charging infrastructure? You would literally need two or three charging spots for the whole country.

That's not how people use their cars or charging stations! People don't drive to places to charge their cars, they drive their cars to get places and park where they can charge. A charging infrastructure needs to have charging stations a few minutes walk away from where people are going to.

Oslo is roughly 454 km² and it has over 400 charging stations. Oslo has a lot of electric cars because of incentives and the relative ease of finding somewhere to charge your car. Tel Aviv's centre is 52km² and its metropolitan area is 1,519 km², so it alone is going to need quite a few charging stations.

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