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Apple of 2019 is the Linux of 2000

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Re: Apple of 2019 is the Linux of 2000

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Post by ufmace »

airstrike wrote: post #320
lostmsu wrote: post #270

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Can you elaborate on what do you mean by Windows update cycle? I have a Mac Mini, that I rarely touch to check a new release of something on Mac, and practically every time I have to use it, an update is pending. Not sure how this is worse, than Windows.

With Windows it feels the same way, except a lot of what Windows Update does runs silently in the background, sometimes during your most precious computing hours with no way to stop it except force quitting through the Task Manager. And half the time the updates fail. And when you quickly want to shut down sometimes Windows also forces an update...

Apple seems to love doing this too. It's just great when it decides to update iMovie and iTunes, huge apps which I have never used, when your battery is at 30% and you're on a terrible WiFi connection. It's hard to tell that the update is in progress at all, and seemingly impossible to stop.

Took me a while to figure out how to remove the apps I never intend to use and disable auto-updates for the ones I do use. It can be disabled yeah, but the auto-update is the default, and I have a feeling it will get mysteriously turned back on at some point, and I won't notice until it kills my battery at an awkward time again.

Re: Apple of 2019 is the Linux of 2000

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Post by BeefySwain »

judofyr wrote: post #200
clownpenis_fart wrote: post #185

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Linux 2000: writing a post summarizing Linux's issues will compel a point by point response in which a fanboy will either tell you "works for me" or "you're holding it wrong". Apple 2019: writing a post summarizing Apple products' issues will compel a point by point response in which a fanboy will either tell you "works for me" or "you're holding it wrong".

{any technology} {any year}: writing a post summarizing X products' issues will compel a point by point response in which a fanboy will either tell you "works for me" or "you're holding it wrong".

{any tribe} {any year}: a rebuttal of a point will result in accusations of bias

Re: Apple of 2019 is the Linux of 2000

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Post by llimllib »

harshitaneja wrote: post #367
llimllib wrote: post #329

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> Which version of gnome are you on? 3.24 I think? whatever the ubuntu beta is using. > I just checked gnome settings and it has option to change touchpad speed. Don't have a mouse so can't comment for that but it should be there. I can assure you it is not edit to add issue link: https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/gnome-control-center/issues/3... > Open the app and right click the app icon in dock(if that is what you me…

I am on Gnome 3.32.2. I remembered Ubuntu lagged behind but didn't know this much. Maybe the touchpad speed is added in later versions of gnome. Your keyboard shortcut use case is much more complex than mine and I haven't used Karabiner(though I should try because until now I am hating my mac experience and I am stuck with a mac as a daily driver for the past month). It should be possible to use multiple keyboards wi…

whoops, 3.34.1 is the version I'm on, I just misremembered.

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Post by KibbutzDalia »

Mindwipe wrote: post #332
puranjay wrote: post #310

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I don't know how we came to this point. Laptops in 2019 certainly suck across the board. A good keyboard is almost impossible to find and reliability isn't a thing we even consider. In contrast, I don't think there has ever been a better time for desktops. Mechanical keyboards have become fashionable again, AMD has brought the fight to Intel's table, and GPUs have never been faster and cheaper.

Although all major OSes are still a massive pain even on Desktops currently.

Have you tried Arch Linux, by the way?

Re: Apple of 2019 is the Linux of 2000

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Post by KibbutzDalia »

fqw3b58w4n6 wrote: post #233
computerex wrote: post #209

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I started using linux in 2006 and I'd say linux is best its ever been. I used to have so many problems with my graphics drivers, now things usually work out of the box. I have not had any problems with multi-monitor support, although I have heard that HDPI screen experience still needs to be refined. I have a macbook pro running Mojave, and my gaming desktop runs Windows, my personal and favorite device runs Manjaro…

Same here, about 2008 for me. The complaints I have are pretty minimal (audio is a bit wonky sometimes, but nothing difficult to resolve; hilariously enough my laptop does have wifi issues, but I don't care, I'm plugged in 99% of the time anyways). To be fair, I'm using the exact opposite of an out of the box experience. I've been refining my setup for years and using it is truly a joy to me.

So you have wonky audio and bad Wi-Fi and you think it’s fine? That’s very odd, in my reading of it.

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Post by AnIdiotOnTheNet »

kick wrote: post #335
AnIdiotOnTheNet wrote: post #244

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> Not only that, there are and were multiple ways of installing software in Linux Technically true, but practically false. To this day I get told that I shouldn't be even trying to use software that isn't in the repo. There are still a whole lot of applications released with a Windows binary and a tar.xz of source for Linux. At DebConf 2014, none other than Linus himself bitched out the community for how difficult di…

AppImage & snapd & flatpak are poor solutions to a real problem. It's better to wait until someone comes up with a good solution than accept a bad one.

I would agree about snapd and flatpak, but AppImage is pretty close to ideal. The only more ideal way I can think of is if AppImage didn't require FUSE and could embed an icon (there was a proposal for an embedded icon standard in ELF, which was thoroughly ignored by the community).

It has been 20 years. How much longer should we wait for functionality the original Macintosh included in 1984?

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Post by time0ut »

gmac wrote: post #5

Apple 2019: if your problem is not google-trivial, there's nothing you can do. Calling Apple's tech support line does not help, because they will just type your problem description into Google and read the first hit. Really? My experience of calling Apple tech support (to troubleshoot something to do with Messages on my Mac) was that they were surprisingly well-informed, and they fixed my issue with approximately zer…

My one experience with Apple support was a complete disappointment. iOS 11 made my iPhone 6+ unusable. Their only suggestion was to try rebooting it. This was right before the battery scandal broke.

Re: Apple of 2019 is the Linux of 2000

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Post by lowan12 »

sarah180 wrote: post #382

Is this satire of the ridiculous false equivalencies so often employed in modern rhetoric? Does the author really think using a Mac in 2019 is a complicated and fiddly as using a Linux machine in 2000? Or are people just upvoting something because it's the kind of lazy hot take that's candy for socially ranked sites like this? This is why I believe sites like HN and Reddit often make their readers dumber despite surf…

In one sentence you show that you are aware of the piece's satire, and in the next you question whether the author truly believes everything he says?

I think it's pretty obvious that the article was not meant to be taken completely seriously and is poking humour at some "familiar" experiences.

Re: Apple of 2019 is the Linux of 2000

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Post by dkonofalski »

computerex wrote: post #293
llimllib wrote: post #240

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I was linux-only from 2002 to about 2009, on laptops, when I switched to Mac. I just set up a linux desktop for kicks the last couple of weeks, and it doesn't seem to me to be any better than it was a decade ago. * No way to adjust mouse scroll speed; official answer seems to be "don't want that". (Or install imwheel and change your mouse scroll to be equal to hitting the down button (!) which breaks other stuff) * T…

Everything you have listed is solvable by using a different distribution/desktop environment. You can use something like Manjaro to get really up to date software, and it comes with different desktop environment flavors like Cinnamon. I think a more modern desktop environment would suit you best, and I highly recommend Cinnamon.

This is my issue with Linux, though, despite having a dev VM environment of several distros. There are a metric f*ckton of Linux distros out there and, for every one of them that fixes the problems mentioned in one breath, they break or ignore a whole litany of other things. When I first started with Linux, it was pretty much Red Hat or bust and that was a pain but you knew what you were getting into. Now, it's nearly impossible to know what a lot of the differences are between all the different distros and which one may or may not work for your particular situation. Worse yet, it's now happened to me twice where I've set up a distro, spent the time to get it mostly working, and then, after using it for a few weeks, there's some annoyance or hardware issue that I can't resolve that is resolved in another distro. So I install the next one, get it mostly working, and then run into some other non-trivial annoyance or issue. Repeat, ad nauseam.

Linux, to me, is still very much a tinkerer's OS. If you don't have the time to tinker and get things working and just want to get things done, Linux is not the way to go.

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Post by boudewijnrempt »

rjzzleep wrote: post #378
esotericn wrote: post #291

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Gnome (3) is just a bit crap. It's the Windows DE of the GNU/Linux world. It's explicitly designed to be boring and not very customizable so that delicate users don't get scared. I use i3 and basically everything is configured via text files. Keyboard shortcuts are trivial etc. You don't need Karabiner to "rebind" because you can directly bind. You don't need to go scary tiling WM, Xfce probably works well, it's been…

I still maintain that the problem is the UI toolkits. The mac ecosystem now has _multiple_ viable indesign and photoshop alternatives. AppKit, Cocoa, UIKit and all those frameworks gradually added all the features third party app developers hacked into their own UI libraries. GTK is something developers frequently curse about and theme developers frequently abandon because the gnome team keeps breaking their themes.…

And if you use the Apple toolkits, you lose around 95% of your potential market. For my project, Krita, made with Qt (not QT, Qt...), 90% of downloads are Windows, 7% Linux, 3% macOS. And since Apple seems hell-bent on making people share-croppers in their walled garden with asinine things like Metal, and notarizing and all that, well, in a year or two, it might be 0%, and I'll be fine with that.
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