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Why Open Source Misses the Point of Free Software (2007)

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Re: Why Open Source Misses the Point of Free Software (2007)

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Post by mav3rick »

craigsmansion wrote: post #406
mav3rick wrote: post #404

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Oh so now it's the audience's fault to not be "tolerant" of RMS' bullshit.

Again, please read what I wrote. I'm starting to doubt you are providing an argument in good faith here as you are constantly generalising. If some religious members of an audience, who are very serious about their faith, go to see a known outspoken atheist, maybe that wasn't the best idea. As far as I know the St. IGNUcius skit is fairly well received in general.

I don't care about religion. I care about alienating women. The 'virgin girl' bit is clearly gratuitous and peddles gender stereotypes about men in CS.

Re: Why Open Source Misses the Point of Free Software (2007)

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Post by dang »

craigsmansion wrote: post #409
mav3rick wrote: post #402

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Conveniently ignored "a girl who is a virgin". How frustrating must that be for a girl in the audience.

Wondering about your effort to maintain an argument in good faith, I read up a little: "mav3rick: What about the KoolAid that HN drinks against anything Facebook, Google ?" "mav3rick: He seems like an out and out terrorist." I think these are indicative you will say whatever it takes to discredit rms, because he takes a stand against everything you believe in. You are being dishonest in your motivations. I think I'll…

You both have been breaking the site guidelines. Please stop, and please avoid this sort of spat on HN in the future, regardless of how right you are or feel, or how wrong the other person is.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Re: Why Open Source Misses the Point of Free Software (2007)

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Post by dang »

mav3rick wrote: post #410
craigsmansion wrote: post #409

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Wondering about your effort to maintain an argument in good faith, I read up a little: "mav3rick: What about the KoolAid that HN drinks against anything Facebook, Google ?" "mav3rick: He seems like an out and out terrorist." I think these are indicative you will say whatever it takes to discredit rms, because he takes a stand against everything you believe in. You are being dishonest in your motivations. I think I'll…

Nice, attack the person and not the point I made. Did you address the "virgin girl" that RMS uses in his stupid speech. Even your comments are all pro RMS yet I'm engaging you.

You both have been breaking the site guidelines. Please stop, and please avoid this sort of spat on HN in the future, regardless of how right you are or feel, or how wrong the other person is.

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Re: Why Open Source Misses the Point of Free Software (2007)

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Post by dang »

flatb wrote: post #320
Smithalicious wrote: post #247

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> If it everybody steps up now, it means there was clearly a disconnect between his self image and what his environment thought about him. Oh, certainly. And I'd say the reason for that is > because of the importance of his figure people were more willing to keep their mouths shut and look the other way I don't necessarily blame people for not spekaing out if they were troubled by his behaviour, but this is really un…

> Decades worth of small issues that Stallman was mostly unaware of As a reminder, the "small issues" you mention include accusations, by several independent parties, of, among other things: -Asking female coworkers to lay down topless on a mattress in his office. -Threatening a colleague to kill himself if he/she didn't go on a date with him. -Posting up signs in his workplace along the lines of "Knight for Justice…

Please don't copy/paste the same material on HN. Even if the discussion is getting repetitive, making it more repetitive makes it worse.

More importantly, please don't post in the flamewar style to HN, even if the topic is inflammatory and divisive.

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Re: Why Open Source Misses the Point of Free Software (2007)

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Post by concordDance »

flatb wrote: post #319
lostjohnny wrote: post #202

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it already happened. As usual, not trying to be prejudicial here, it happened in the U.S. where different 501(c)(3) formed to attract donation capital, but that actually have been an enemy of large part of the FSF community. There can't be one strong FSF they want many small feuds, it's like greenwashing, open washing is happening, which, BTW, "misses the point of free software". Look at what happened to Eben Moglen,…

> harsh, impolite, unempathetic, creepy or whatever BS they are throwing now at RMS. He has been accused, by several independent parties, of, among other things: -Asking female coworkers to lay down topless on a mattress in his office. -Threatening a colleague to kill himself if he/she didn't go on a date with him. -Posting up signs in his workplace along the lines of "Knight for Justice (Also: Hot Ladies)". Do you t…

Can I have a reliable source on the suicide threat? In particular something indicating it was genuine rather than jocular.

Re: Why Open Source Misses the Point of Free Software (2007)

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Post by concordDance »

marijn wrote: post #157
sn41 wrote: post #7

In the years to come, I believe free software will be recognised as one of the paradigmatic changes in how science itself is done. Now chemists and biologists have started talking about making data openly available and so forth. It's a shame that RMS has to spout forth on every issue, and in the current climate of outrage, science may have lost an important transformational voice. I think as a society, we need to cal…

He wasn't blacklisted for committing thought crime. The dumb Epstein email triggered a reevaluation of his consistent creepy and inappropriate behavior against current community standards, which resulted in a large part of the community deciding they didn't want anything to do with him anymore. Freedom of speech does not mean freedom from social consequences.

A handful of anecdotes over two decades does not make for "consistent creepy and inappropriate behaviour".

I also think those deciding they didn't want anything to do with him are a tiny minority if you exclude those who have never met him (and even then, probably still a small minority).

Re: Why Open Source Misses the Point of Free Software (2007)

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Post by flatb »

concordDance wrote: post #415
flatb wrote: post #319

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> harsh, impolite, unempathetic, creepy or whatever BS they are throwing now at RMS. He has been accused, by several independent parties, of, among other things: -Asking female coworkers to lay down topless on a mattress in his office. -Threatening a colleague to kill himself if he/she didn't go on a date with him. -Posting up signs in his workplace along the lines of "Knight for Justice (Also: Hot Ladies)". Do you t…

Can I have a reliable source on the suicide threat? In particular something indicating it was genuine rather than jocular.

https://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/d59r46/richard...

From someone who worked at MIT.

Re: Why Open Source Misses the Point of Free Software (2007)

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Post by hdfbdtbcdg »

flatb wrote: post #417
concordDance wrote: post #415

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Can I have a reliable source on the suicide threat? In particular something indicating it was genuine rather than jocular.

https://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/d59r46/richard... From someone who worked at MIT.

I don't see any reliable source there. Are some of those profiles verified? I also didn't see any reference to suicide.

Re: Why Open Source Misses the Point of Free Software (2007)

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Post by msla »

msla wrote: post #18
new_realist wrote: post #5

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OSS predates Stallman, and will outlast him. His contributions are overstated, as is the benefit of Free Software, generally, as compared to more permissive licenses.

> His contributions are overstated, as is the benefit of Free Software, generally, as compared to more permissive licenses. That's certainly what companies which made their fortunes out of taking software out of the commons and turning it into products want people to think. Enough programmers don't want to be turned into unpaid employees that copyleft licenses have substantial uptake. Also: > OSS predates Stallman, a…

The downvotes without replies are proof I've hit a nerve, and am saying things others cannot stand because they cannot refute them.

Re: Why Open Source Misses the Point of Free Software (2007)

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Post by annoyingnoob »

linuxftw wrote: post #331
annoyingnoob wrote: post #151

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RMS has no children. RMS is not trained/educated in child development or child care. RMS is entitled to his own opinion, however he has no basis for an informed opinion. RMS shit the bed more than one time on the subject of children. RMS has had the protection of others for too long. His backward opinions on children over many years caught up with him. RMS has done great things for free software but that does not giv…

You didn't add anything to the discussion here, you just parroted talking points. > If RMS stuck to his area of expertise we would not be having this conversation. Show me where he didn't?

Do your own research... https://stallman.org/articles/children.html

https://www.stallman.org/archives/2006-may-aug.html#05%20Jun...

https://stallman.org/archives/2012-nov-feb.html#04_January_2...

There are 3 links. Its pretty clear to me that he fears being a parent and has no concept of child development.

It is well known that changes in a growing adolescent brain can affect decision making. https://www.aacap.org/AACAP/Families_and_Youth/Facts_for_Fam... https://kids.frontiersin.org/article/10.3389/frym.2017.00053

And yet, RMS would like to carve out some kind of exception for sex with kids when the kid chooses sex 'voluntarily'. Its disgusting and goes against what we know from science about kids and decision making.

RMS is a would-be pedo and should be treated as such.

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