> A company with more money in the bank than several countries combined.
That's one problem with big companies: they start to behave like countries, with their indifferent governments. At that point even media attention will not help.
MacBook Pro Keyboard Drives Me Crazy
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#412Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Apple has consistently shown that it cares more about form over function. No one needs their laptops to be any thinner than they already are Well, this depends. Here's how a user put it: "I have to admit being a bit baffled by how nobody else seems to have done what Apple did with the Macbook Air - even several years after the first release, the other notebook vendors continue to push those ugly and clunky things.…
For a 13 inch or smaller laptop it is understandable to strike a balance between size, battery and specifications. A 15 inch laptop is never going to be portable or easy to carry. We don't care about thickness. Just make it a bit thicker to add a full-travel keyboard.
Thin laptops do suck. Give us ports and keyboards! Is there a single instance of high-quality laptop on the market with a generous key travel these days? Thinkpads don't quite reach the feel of MBP 2015 keyboard for me.
(Typing this on a 101-key NMB I restored which, I think, is close to typing nirvana.)
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#413So I've been reading HN for almost 10 years now and nothing frustrated me this much to post a comment. 2017 MB Pro keyboard is a damn nightmare. By introducing Apple keyboard service program for MBPro2017 they acknowledged the keyboard is broken by design. I happened to spill a little bit of coffee on it, but MB did no care, it was working fine, up until the point I started losing keys because of the weak micro hinge…
I made the jump to a Thinkpad T series and Ubuntu. The keyboards are better than them current macs but not what i remember from the 90s with IB Thinkpads.
Or go Dell XPS.
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#414Earlier quoted context omitted.
> nothing beats usability of OS X I used to share same opinion, but Windows 10 is surprisingly good nowadays, I didn't expect it to be so nice to use.
Ads in start menu? Apps installed without my consent? No, thank you
If by "ads in start menu" you mean the lame app suggestions, it's trivial to disable the thing.
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#415Earlier quoted context omitted.
Ads in start menu? Apps installed without my consent? No, thank you
If by "ads in start menu" you mean the lame app suggestions, it's trivial to disable the thing.
by your logic, any ad can be reframed as "a lame suggestion". They're still ads, though, and still very unwelcome. And last time I checked, there wasn't a switch to easily turn them off, completely and permanently.
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#416For everyone that hasn't seen it, reports are they've already decided to change the keyboard on forthcoming models. Discussion here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20353148 Edit: added "reports are"
Great, will they be offering free trade-ins? These are $2000 computers that have a major broken component. Not to mention, the second a computer comes on sale that doesn't have this issue, the resale value of the current MacBooks will be disproportionately affected compared to previous revisions. So a nice double whammy: a miserable experience during its use, and an unusually small resale value afterwards.
I usually use my Macs until I feel an upgrade is worth it (I can sometimes get five years out one), and then upgrade and give the old one away to someone who could use it. The cost for me is really that I'm not going to want to keep my current MBP (bought at the end of 2017) for as long as I usually would, just because they keyboard sucks.
I absolutely agree, they should offer a significant discount to people trading them back in to get a replacement model.
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#417Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Apple has consistently shown that it cares more about form over function. No one needs their laptops to be any thinner than they already are Well, this depends. Here's how a user put it: "I have to admit being a bit baffled by how nobody else seems to have done what Apple did with the Macbook Air - even several years after the first release, the other notebook vendors continue to push those ugly and clunky things.…
There are two types of laptop users - those wanting a portable machine, light, good enough for a short amount of ssh or vim and maybe a webpage or two The other type are those looking for a luggable desktop, those who hotdesk but don’t really work on the go. There’s then who want both, but that has proven to be a mugs game. No matter how much money you throw at it you end up with compromises on portability it power.…
Nah, I don't fit into either of your categories. I'm perfectly happy with my 2015 13" MBP; I use it as my main machine, every day, doing my job as a dev: most of the time, at home, it's driving two monitors (and acting as a third screen itself), though right now I'm working in a cafe for a change. In both circumstances it's a great, sufficiently powerful, nice-to-use machine which I'm productive on. Getting this right _is_ possible. I do fear the day I have to "upgrade" though...
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#418Earlier quoted context omitted.
If by "ads in start menu" you mean the lame app suggestions, it's trivial to disable the thing.
by your logic, any ad can be reframed as "a lame suggestion". They're still ads, though, and still very unwelcome. And last time I checked, there wasn't a switch to easily turn them off, completely and permanently.
While I admittedly can't remember what I did exactly in order to switch them off at the beginning... I'm not seeing any, ever. So clearly I must've used such a switch
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#419I just started in a new role a few months ago and was given a new MBP. I used an older one in my last role and loved it, but the new ones I simply can't stand. For starters the keyboards feel cheap, I needed 2 - 3 dongles just to plug in all my external monitors, keyboard and mouse. I gave up on the apple mouse since when it dies it's belly up due to where the charging cable is, that's simply poor design.
I was also always swapping out dongles for my monitors as it was 50/50 if the monitor would come back online.
I could go on and on, but the short of it is I went to our IT team and told them I wanted a Win10 machine. I was the first person, hopefully not the last, to turn in an Apple laptop for a windows, I became an instant legend.
TBH, I don't miss it at all. I've got WSL and can do everything I did on that MBP on this ThinkPad. It's nice to have plenty of ports without ugly dongles and a proper docking station.
IMO, Apple's lost it since Job's passing.
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#420I got a mid-2015 MacBook Pro 15" because of the keyboard problems. The screen is beautiful and the processor is fast enough for Java development using IntelliJ. Too bad I can't take this laptop with me when I'm flying because it's on the no-fly list. My options for Apple laptops are pretty much zero right now.
Doesn't Apple fix the no-fly problem for free, since the only ones affected by the no-fly are the recalled ones (any recalled lithium ion battery is no-fly)? Sure it takes time to fix and the problem really shouldn't have happened in the first place, but if your machine is at risk of having the battery overheat or catch fire, it feels like the fact you can't fly with it ought to be the least of your worries.
My mid-2015 MacBook Pro was manufactured outside the recall window (July 2017). It is not a dangerous device. But I doubt I can convince the TSA officer that, and my options will probably be to either hand over the MacBook Pro or not fly at all.