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Re: YouTube bans content “showing users how to bypass secure computer systems”

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Post by jlawson » Wed, Jul 03, 2019, 9:04 PM UTC

afthonos wrote: post #371

jlawson wrote: post #293

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They posted the full unedited video. It doesn't reveal anything deceptive about the editing of the first edited-for-time video. EDIT: Going to the substance - you really think Google employees don't want to prevent Trump's re-election? Because every possible indicator (campaign donations, personal speech, company policy) says that they do. The Veritas video is part of a massive pattern of evidence pointing to the sam…

This isn’t about Google. I reject Project Veritas as a source of evidence . I take no public position on Google, not least because I work there and don’t speak for them. This isn’t a demand for rigor, isolated or otherwise, because I genuinely didn’t know what this was about before your comment. The history of the thread went: - Some vague statement - Someone expressing confusion - Someone else supposing it was a Pro…

Dismiss PV's analysis if you want. I do the same to some sources.

But it's nonsense to discard a primary source, like that video, because it went through a particular person's hands.

If hypothetically, ThinkProgress (who I do not trust) gets a hidden camera video of Trump talking about his dream of mass-expelling nonwhites from America, I wouldn't just pretend it didn't exist because ThinkProgress is the one who took it. Primary sources are primary sources.

Re: YouTube bans content “showing users how to bypass secure computer systems”

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Post by otakucode » Wed, Jul 03, 2019, 9:04 PM UTC

floatingatoll wrote: post #147

One effective way to protest this would be to report videos by high-profile companies such as Microsoft, Amazon, and Google itself. Take a few minutes to look for a video about Azure or AWS or GCP, or a video of a presentation at a conference around such things, and report it as Inappropriate content citing the relevant terms of service. Be very careful only to report content that conforms to the above description —…

This will be ineffective. Google whitelists many channels by large organizations and they are sheltered from any such reports. If 200k reports came in on the next Microsoft video posted, someone at YouTube might notice, but the video would never be taken down. You should read (as should everyone else) Eric Schmidt's book 'A New Digital Age'. In it he lies out his view. Basically (and obviously this is my perspective, this is the meaning not the language he uses to sell it), because Google is rich, they are Better. The teeming masses of the unwashed must be yolked by their betters. Left to their own devices, the public would destroy themselves and it is the responsibility of Google and other gigacorps to create culture in order to preserve civilization.

Re: YouTube bans content “showing users how to bypass secure computer systems”

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Post by cr0sh » Wed, Jul 03, 2019, 9:05 PM UTC

aphextim wrote: post #93

I can't wait for all the videos showing you how to repair your own stuff gets outlawed. Right now it's 'hacking' or possibly circumventing proprietary systems that are trying to get you to purchase a new device or contact them directly rather than fix it yourself if you have the technical know how. Today it's Software/Hardware and computer systems. How long until looking up a you-tube video on how to repair your John…

After videos on repairing stuff gets outlawed - what's next?

Videos on how to build stuff.

Want to watch a video showing you how to build a quadcopter that doesn't have any kind of geofencing controls?

Not allowed.

Re: YouTube bans content “showing users how to bypass secure computer systems”

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Post by jonny_eh » Wed, Jul 03, 2019, 9:06 PM UTC

manjana wrote: post #184

oconnor663 wrote: post #145

Devil's advocate: There's a very thin line between e.g. the Lockpicking Lawyer doing reviews of different padlock brands and e.g. an instructional video about how to break into someone's house. YouTube knows that if someone posts home invasion instructions, and then someone else watches those instructions and commits a crime, the news media will absolutely 100% blame YouTube, and politicians will jump on them to scor…

So sad. Some of these channels like e.g. BosnianBill, LockpickingLawyer, HelpfulLockpicker have immense amounts of unique content that are properly even less likely to be backed up somewhere and will most likely be lost for good.

Who said they were getting taken down? Are we over-reacting here?

Re: YouTube bans content “showing users how to bypass secure computer systems”

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Post by bitL » Wed, Jul 03, 2019, 9:06 PM UTC

BearsAreCool wrote: post #325

jeena wrote: post #36

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Host yourself with PeerTube: https://joinpeertube.org/en/

I went on peertube and I get the feeling half the links would have gotten my ISP angry with me. Bit too much piracy for me. EDIT: Update, they aren't even real full movies. They're just baits that tell you to click some link in the description.

You can self-host PeerTube and decide what content you want to share, i.e. you can share only your own videos while still being federated.

Re: YouTube bans content “showing users how to bypass secure computer systems”

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Post by soulofmischief » Wed, Jul 03, 2019, 9:06 PM UTC

syn0byte wrote: post #381

davesmith1983 wrote: post #238

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I suspect many people were saying the same about the printing press when that was invented. "If anyone can print something quickly, how can will we stop the peasants from printing their own books". Many would could say same about open source software, people developing their own technology. They are doing their own thing, there is a lot of rubbish code (noise) to good open source code (signal). Maybe a large company…

To piggyback your comment and the depth of the analogy: Mein Kampf is still in publication today. Does any otherwise rational person want it stopped and all copies removed from public libraries in the way they seem to expect from Youtube/Facebook et al? Would they want Del Ray Books be held accountable for the content of The Turner Diaries?

To extend that; Mein Kampf has extremely relevant historical significants. It's important to understand the mind of your enemy. Not listening to what they have to say does nothing to stop their actions, it only makes you non-privy and less able to identify similar behavior in other individuals.

Re: YouTube bans content “showing users how to bypass secure computer systems”

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Post by hobofan » Wed, Jul 03, 2019, 9:07 PM UTC

Asooka wrote: post #408

gambiting wrote: post #228

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That's probably a great way to get your own Google account banned, and there is no way in hell I'm risking that.

Why do you only have one google account?

Is having multiple (non-company) Google accounts allowed per their TOC?

Re: YouTube bans content “showing users how to bypass secure computer systems”

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Post by armed-armadillo » Wed, Jul 03, 2019, 9:08 PM UTC

So who wants to start an open-source effort to make a new video platform?

Re: YouTube bans content “showing users how to bypass secure computer systems”

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Post by tenpies » Wed, Jul 03, 2019, 9:09 PM UTC

exolymph wrote: post #197

asdf21 wrote: post #165

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It's called selective enforcement.

You can make it a PR issue. Go through reporting and if the videos clearly violate TOS and aren't taken down, point out the double standard to the activist press.

> out the double standard to the activist press.

Except the activist press only cares about their side. If you're censoring anything they don't like or critical of them, they will shower you with praise.

They will actually cheer at Google to ban more. Just wait until a US President, British PM, or other leader they like is in power - they'll beg Google to merge with the government.

Re: YouTube bans content “showing users how to bypass secure computer systems”

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Post by afthonos » Wed, Jul 03, 2019, 9:10 PM UTC

malvosenior wrote: post #409

afthonos wrote: post #371

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This isn’t about Google. I reject Project Veritas as a source of evidence . I take no public position on Google, not least because I work there and don’t speak for them. This isn’t a demand for rigor, isolated or otherwise, because I genuinely didn’t know what this was about before your comment. The history of the thread went: - Some vague statement - Someone expressing confusion - Someone else supposing it was a Pro…

That's a really dangerous attitude to take. Are you really not curious what your own company is up to? Does it matter where the leak came from? How about this. Go to google.com and type the following: "women can" vs. "men can" The bias is clear as day and you don't need Project Veritas to tell you. There were also numerous documents leaked showing extreme left wing bias. You'll probably have seen them as an employee…

I can’t address the root point in public. You’ll have to take my word for it that I didn’t know what the point was at all when I wrote about sources (though of course, being sentient, I had an idea of the kind of point it would be).

My attitude would be dangerous if Project Veritas were the only entity talking about the dangers of Google. But I find, opening a news tab, that everyone is deeply aware of Google’s reach and power and how it could be problematic. So ignoring known liars doesn’t mean I’m missing vital information. As I said: someone honest is probably making those points, and I certainly listen to such people, from both sides of the aisle, and some of whom I even agree with on some points!