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Teachers Quit Jobs at Highest Rate on Record

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Post by Aeolun »

paulcole wrote: post #372
Aeolun wrote: post #310

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50k for the opportunity to score an A. Not for the guarantee. That would make the A utterly valueless.

An honors degree from Harvard (or another Ivy) is still rare (with respect to the general public) and has value even if everyone who graduates gets one.

Of course it’s still rare. There’s only one Harvard, and only so many students they accept.

But if everyone graduates and gets a honors degree, the only thing that degree means is that you were able to get in (either through skill or money).

I’m sure it still has value. But it places all the value at the entrance and selection process instead of the teaching.

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Post by myroon5 »

seanmcdirmid wrote: post #368
TheCoelacanth wrote: post #367

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Unvested employer contributions can be taken back.

Only for the year.

anecdotal counterpoint: Amazon takes back all employer 401k contributions for employees who do not work there for at least 3 years

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Post by pnutjam »

tokyodude wrote: post #204
nilkn wrote: post #141

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I was tempted to agree when I read this, but then I thought that this creates an unfair advantage for parents who can afford to pay for extra time from the teacher.

So the parent with more money pay for a different tutor. What's the difference? Or are suggesting the parents with more money should not be allowed to pay for there kids to do anything a parent with less money can't afford?

I have two daughters who took orchestra, we couldn't afford private lessons. They did well, the teacher was excellent and they enjoyed themselves. They never reached the "top" orchestra. Our school has 3 levels.

My third daughter played in the band, and we decided that we could finally afford $20 a week lessons from one of the instructors. She's in the top band and got to play in the county competitions. She's had alot more opportunity.

I don't personally think she's significantly better, even though the lessons have helped her notice certain shortcomings more quickly. I do think she's noticed more by the band leaders.

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Post by therealdrag0 »

Aeolun wrote: post #411
paulcole wrote: post #372

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An honors degree from Harvard (or another Ivy) is still rare (with respect to the general public) and has value even if everyone who graduates gets one.

Of course it’s still rare. There’s only one Harvard, and only so many students they accept. But if everyone graduates and gets a honors degree, the only thing that degree means is that you were able to get in (either through skill or money). I’m sure it still has value. But it places all the value at the entrance and selection process instead of the teaching.

Pretty much. Some argue a lot of higher-education is merely signaling. So you can't say it's worthless, only that the value is different than is publicly discussed/assumed.

This is an interesting interview about it: http://www.econtalk.org/bryan-caplan-on-the-case-against-edu...

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Post by therealdrag0 »

shados wrote: post #399
zanny wrote: post #169

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This might have been true 20 years ago when software development meant everything from a fundamental understanding of hardware (including how pixels are laid out, how to manage gamma, etc for the front end) to knowing a lot of theory (because you had to implement your collections in house, manage the code base by hand, etc) but nowadays I'm pretty sure at least half of everyone could be pointed at a web framework and…

Very true. The most important thing you mentioned is this one IMO: > even if they pay for them without realizing that In health care, you have doctors, physician assistants, nurses, administrators, etc. They have very different background, schooling and certifications as well as salaries. In software, you have some differences (individual contributors, tech leads, managers, etc), but it's not granular at all within t…

Agreed. I've seen people trained as other engineers (EE,ME) who have taken one programming class, get jobs at similar salaries as CS grads, but then need a long time to ramp up and are a "burden" to their coworkers who have to train them while also doing their own work. It's strange how much leeway people can get in this field. I understand anyone can be trained, but still is a luxurious field.

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Post by therealdrag0 »

cheez wrote: post #318
kaitai wrote: post #282

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That's what we've done with literacy in the US for the past few decades and literacy rates have decreased. An abject failure. What a terrible idea for society -- religious zealots only teaching their children one religious book (whichever one they like), people afraid of math teaching their children to be afraid of math, thespians only teaching theater, violinists whose children never get to try cello.... parents who…

Isn't the US the country spending the most, per-capita, on education? I don't see how your claim follows. In any case, given the company, you're probably well off, live in a high property tax area and have good public schools.

Wouldn't you expect us to be at the top of list, when our average incomes are also top of the list, and a very large country?

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Post by therealdrag0 »

CydeWeys wrote: post #212
zackbloom wrote: post #108

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I think a generally cheaper and easier way to manage it would be to require all children, rich and poor, go to the same schools. The economic factors would change pretty dramatically for being a public school teacher.

This is only possible if school is no longer a physical place (i.e. everyone does school online). So long as school is in a physical space, it needs to be one relatively close to you, and then you're not close to giving everyone the same experience, as prosperity and educational attainment differ in granularity by more than a school bus can travel every day.

Could at least stop basing school funding off of local taxes. Children's education shouldn't be tied to their parent's wealth.

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Post by paulcole »

Aeolun wrote: post #411
paulcole wrote: post #372

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An honors degree from Harvard (or another Ivy) is still rare (with respect to the general public) and has value even if everyone who graduates gets one.

Of course it’s still rare. There’s only one Harvard, and only so many students they accept. But if everyone graduates and gets a honors degree, the only thing that degree means is that you were able to get in (either through skill or money). I’m sure it still has value. But it places all the value at the entrance and selection process instead of the teaching.

90% of Harvard students graduate with honors.

https://www.quora.com/Is-Harvard-the-only-university-where-9...

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Post by skj »

derefr wrote: post #218
skj wrote: post #195

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Presumably an important part of journalism is research.

You realize that other sources are free to take the facts from any article they read, and write those same facts (without doing any expensive, confirmatory investigation of their own) into a new piece, without paying any sort of a license for rebroadcast of those facts, or for creating a derivative work from those facts, right? You realize that 99% of the journalism you read, watch, or listen to every day is this kin…

I've never heard the repackaging of facts referred to as "plagiarism". That said, the only difference between plagiarism and what you discuss is that plagiarism is, generally, detectable and stealing facts is not. If it were, I'm sure there would be different rules and provisions in effect.

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Post by frogpelt »

allcentury wrote: post #14

There's much more to this story. My mother, a high school calculus teacher for the last 22 years is so ready to retire. I didn't think my mom would ever retire, she spends countless hours coming up with unique lesson plans for the kids - they usually involve games, real world use cases and many ah-ha moments. She lives for those moments when a kid lights up when they understand the value of what their learning. Now t…

I'm way late on this comment but you would likely have a completely different set of challenges at a disadvantaged high school than your mom's challenge of a parent complaining about their child's chances of getting into Princeton with an A-minus.
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