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Netflix is the latest company to try bypassing Apple’s app store

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On the other hand, Apple controlling the UI means, as usual, they kill other services ability to innovate. But most apple users don't care to have very limited capabilities as long as the core value is here and it's streamlined in the apple experience. Hell, they used a phone without copy/paste for a long time and it didn't bother them.

Companies aren't innovating anymore, though. We've reached the point where we have dominant players controlling the field, and any "innovation" we see has to do only with profit margins.

I think whether the new apps are innovating is irrelevant. Apple's making the decision for them. As a company, they've always kept things locked down, so I'm not surprised.

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Isn't that illegal? Didn't Microsoft lose a huge case about IE just like this?

Only because Microsoft was in a monopoly position in it's market. Apple isn't, and thus is not subject to the same oversight. Not that the current administration is going to be performing any anti-trust litigation anyway.

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> I well remember the state of Windows during Win 98 and XP where most had no idea what they were downloading, and it seemed every machine had malware, hidden pop ups and 37 IE toolbars. I was constantly asked to clean up friend's machines from the damage done by Kazaa and its associated garbage or some other drive-by crap. I still prefer that personally than the crippled smartphones.

That's fantastic. Some people agree with your views and there are products and software distributions in the market to satisfy them. Some people prefer the way Apple does things. Everyone's preferences are being catered for, and that is wonderful.

the crippled smartphones won the war, there's no real "usable" product for my preferences unfortunately :/.

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Yes. Unless you want to use Google Maps. My SO just asked me to fix her phone to give her biking directions again. She uses the "Google" app to look up stuff, as far as I can tell the OS is now intercepting calls to https://maps.google.com and opening them in Apple Maps instead?!

That doesn’t happen. If you click on an address from Google’s website, it opens in Google Maps if it is installed. If you click on a link from any Google app it opens Google maps by default.

Mmm, well yes, happening now. From the "Google" app made a search, a long touch on the Directions link shows a maps.google.com URL, Google Maps is installed, even reinstalled GM thinking the registration was corrupted somehow. It opens in Apple Maps. Uninstalled Apple Maps and it prompt me to reinstall.

Perhaps since this is the Google app the URL they show for long touch is not actually what is getting executed when you tap, maybe they are sending a routing command directly, but either way there's a number of UI "nudges" to push you to Apple Maps over Google Maps that you cannot adjust or turn off without jailbreaking the phone.

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Chrome

It's on the App Store.

A Firefox and Chrome themed wrapper around safari are available on the app store. The meaningful components of those browsers are not.

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And virtually unavoidable in the smartphone app space because of the gatekeeping function of the stores. I don't know exactly how we got here given that nobody would have accepted this sort of curation on a desktop, but we somehow just walked into it on our phones.

Mass market is how we got here. The phone made the flow of non tech savvy users the main source of income. Before, you had to please geeks, and they thought about products, compared, communicated, criticized and decided where to spend their money. Now, you have to please people that chose products based on ads, design and trends, but don't have any basic understanding of their device yet makes a lot of noise when the…

You should do a post about your comment's first 4 paragraphs, something we can point our "almost there" non-geek friends to.

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We got here rather simply... Apple introduced the iPhone with no apps at all, then gave a half-assed open solution (bookmarks on your home screen, essentially), then they introduced the App Store, with their rules. Since there was no other way to get apps on the phone (short of jailbreaking), App Store won and Play Store was built in this model. Other smartphones in this space at the time (Windows Mobile and Blackber…

Unless they've changed it recently, you can install anything you want on an Android phone. You just have to change a setting to allow apps from unknown sources. It takes a few seconds. I believe this is still the only way to get the Humble Bundle app/game installer on your phone. https://www.humblebundle.com/app

Not to mention you can download other app stores to your device if you wish, including Amazon's and FDroid.

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They won't pull the Netflix app, they just won't let it update until they've made changes. Spotify tried directing users to the web and that's what happened with them.

What if Spotify would make their app using JavaScript (something like React Native or Cordova) with ability to update bypassing AppStore?

If I was Spotify, the absolute last thing I would want to do is piss off Apple seeing as Apple Music is their main competitor right now.

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Only because Microsoft was in a monopoly position in it's market. Apple isn't, and thus is not subject to the same oversight. Not that the current administration is going to be performing any anti-trust litigation anyway.

We currently have duopoly which is not much better than actual monopoly. The reason we don't have anti trust litigation is because neither GOP and DEMs are interested to do it and that's because these companies since them got smarter and heavily lobby. Corruption all the way.

The duopoly of iOs/Android is still far better than the duopoly of democrat/republican.

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On the other hand, Apple controlling the UI means, as usual, they kill other services ability to innovate. But most apple users don't care to have very limited capabilities as long as the core value is here and it's streamlined in the apple experience. Hell, they used a phone without copy/paste for a long time and it didn't bother them.

Companies aren't innovating anymore, though. We've reached the point where we have dominant players controlling the field, and any "innovation" we see has to do only with profit margins.

Plenty of ad and dark pattern innovation to do yet :)
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