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Spotify opens on NYSE, valuing company at almost $30B

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1/ Spotify is not Netflix. There won’t be a Netfix for music.

2/ Netflix, with almost 118 million subscribers worldwide, has allayed concerns about its slowing growth by reminding analysts there are more than 700 million broadband households. Spotify, with 71 million paying users, touts an even larger number in its filing: 1.6 billion payment-enabled smartphone owners expected by 2021. #Growth

3/ Spotify delivers more than 70 percent of its sales to music rights holders, despite efforts to improve profit margins.

4/ Universal Music Group, Sony Music Entertainment, Warner Music Group, Merlin (the representative for many independent labels), which own 87% of the music on Spotify as measured by streams.

5/ It seems highly unlikely Spotify’s Cost of Revenue will improve much in the short-term: those record deals are locked in until at least next year.

6/ It means once the growth of Spotify starts to slow even a bit, it will has very serious trouble.

7/ Netflix is building its own studio to produce shows on its own. Spotify says it has no interest in signing artists, or paying for artists to record. (They don’t have the capital)

8/ However, it has another plan to reduce its reliance on its main suppliers: by making them less relevant. “The old model favoured certain gatekeepers. Artists had to be signed to a label,” chief executive Daniel Ek wrote in a letter included in the filing.

“They needed access to a recording studio, and they had to be played on terrestrial radio to achieve success. Today, artists can produce and release their own music. Labels, studios, and radio still matter, but in a cluttered landscape, artists’ biggest challenge is navigating this complexity to get heard. We believe Spotify empowers them to break through.”

(Ref 4/: Those labels own 85% of the music on Spotify as measured by streams. Progress of empowering: 15%.)

9/ This goal sounds like “the Podcast model” started in 2005, unfortunately, by their biggest competitor: Apple.

Spotify's Dilemma: https://allenleein.github.io/brains/2018/03/spotifys-dilemma

Re: Spotify opens on NYSE, valuing company at almost $30B

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I do love Spotify as a product, however I don't think it will scale the same way Netflix does. Spotify is at the mercy of major record labels, and as their books become more transparent the record labels will squeeze every dollar they can for licensing. That is, unless they find a way to upend the record industry entirely. Spotify has a unique position with their amazing discovery/recommendations engine- they could p…

starting a new label would be a massive undertaking. maybe partner with Google and snag popular YouTube channel sign and distribute only within the Spotify ecosystem. HERE'S THE PROBLEM: Spotify doesn't pay shit to artists. They will have to increase the level of financial contribution to artists if they take this avenue.

> Spotify doesn't pay shit to artists

I thought that Spotify didn't pay ANYTHING to artists. They pay to labels, who then pay to artists depending on their recording contract.

Re: Spotify opens on NYSE, valuing company at almost $30B

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Congrats to them, but I don’t think I’ll ever understand renting music. I can understand Netflix’s success because movie content is much less replayable and more expensive, but music is relatively cheap to own your own collection. I love music, but I don’t understand the appeal of Spotify and Pandora—I’d rather take the cost of subscription and build out my library over time.

Think of it as a subscription to a larger library than you'll ever be able to amass yourself.

Sure, you'll collect all of your favorite music, but what if you want to branch out a little? What if you want recommendations that are tailored for you, based on your music taste?

For me, one of the main services Spotify provides is access to occasional music, stuff that I wouldn't bother to collect, but is nice to have on hand, either for parties or just curiosity. The other main service is their recommendation engine, which reliably presents me with interesting bands and albums that I didn't know about, but fit very well with my tastes.

I consider $10/month a bargain for those services.

(I still keep an offline collection of my absolute very favorite albums, of course)

Re: Spotify opens on NYSE, valuing company at almost $30B

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Company valued at $30 billion. Artists continue to receive almost nothing for their music being played. Something doesn't add up here.

The labels are receiving huge payouts, their profits are on an upward curve now, thanks to streaming.

But as always, they exploit their artists and pay them a pittance. Blame the labels.

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Spotify is fantastic. Excellent usability. I can control the output of my iPhone Spotify app using the app running on my linux computer.

Spotify Connect is one of their real killer features. It just works so damn well, and independent of Airplay, Chromecast, Sonos and other locked-down methods.

Re: Spotify opens on NYSE, valuing company at almost $30B

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't know much about buying shares but I would like to buy in and invest. Care to give me feedback on that? Where did you buy in?

I don't know too much about buying shares, but anyone that knows less than even me should not be buying individual stocks (that too based on IPO day hype). https://www.bogleheads.org/wiki/Getting_started

Absolutely. Buy index funds, don't worry so much about fluctuations, keep a long-term perspective.

Re: Spotify opens on NYSE, valuing company at almost $30B

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's very doubtful that Disney is or could be an serious issue for Netflix now. Netflix is approaching - or already larger than - the size of Disney's comparable entertainment business, and Netflix is growing relatively fast whereas Disney's business isn't growing much or at all. Disney's studio division does $8.3 billion in sales. Their media networks arm, which includes ABC & ESPN, does $23 billion. Netflix will hi…

I don't think you understand how much power Disney has. They own all popular superhero movies. Nearly all well-known children's movies are owned by them. Star Wars now is their IP. Netflix has what? House of Cards (which was discontinued)? 30 other TV shows that range from okay to "people talk about it once or twice to their friends"? 5 movies that are produced slightly higher than a TV show with mostly mediocre rati…

Disney has Simpsons now too!

Re: Spotify opens on NYSE, valuing company at almost $30B

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biggest jump ball: Apple/Google/Amazon competing services. spotify deserves real credit for changing how people consume music, and I think that story will serve them well in the short-term, but their biggest risk is Apple/Google/Amazon who provide competing services that don't have any current pressure to turn a profit - Tim Cook basically said "we don't plan to make money"[1], a bad thing to hear from your primary c…

I for one would not switch to Apple Music. No web app, no desktop app for Linux.

Google Play Music could be an option, at least they have a functional web player, but neither it nor the Android app are anywhere close to Spotify's apps.

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