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Post by srcmap »

phyller wrote: post #340
grogenaut wrote: post #311

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What is the rate of spending in industry on displays vs computers? My general feel is people skimp on displays and over spend on compute. So it would be hard to fight that trend. Secondly with VR as a desktop replacement... This is simple math. A 4k (or higher) 30" monitor will always be easier and cheaper to build and worst case the same. Except it's at 3' from your face. Shrink that monitor massively and stick it i…

I don't need a virtual 4K monitor. I can turn my head to see more, just like I do in real life. How close do you have to be to see the pixels in a 4K monitor, and at that point, can you see the entire monitor without looking around? I want the portability, and then the resolution just has to be good enough. If we could get a virtual 1080p display that would be amazing and good enough. But to your point, the VR displa…

Just got a $399 50" Samsung TV on BlackFriday. Base on the review, it supports 4:4:4 which is a must as PC monitor. Hook up the one yrs old cheap HP laptop to it via HDMI port.

Looks great! 4k video streaming from Youtube works very good.

4 x 1080 Tiled windows - perfect for productivities.

I don't do gaming. The latency is less of an issue for me.

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Post by omg_ketchup »

phyller wrote: post #226

I don't understand why this entire field seems so focused on gaming, and not productivity. The single most interesting thing to me was the "displays on demand". There are two things that would absolutely revolutionize how I work that I would pay big money for: 1) Any sort of glasses that would allow me to view virtual displays in high definition. I don't care if I have to turn my head to see more than one display, I…

I have this great idea for AR input that would probably replace most mice and keyboards in the future, but I need funding. :-(

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Post by gruturo »

shimon wrote: post #362
koolba wrote: post #315

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> It's hard to build high-enough fidelity into the hardware at a reasonable price point. And even if you did make VR goggles that were great for giant spreadsheets at $1000, it would be a weird enough idea that it would have to be massively better than $1000 worth of monitors to get people interested. I doubt that. If you make a VR/AR/?R version of a Bloomberg terminal or Factset then finance firms will literally rol…

You might be able to collect a few wads of cash from finance firms who want a cooler-looking Bloomberg terminal, but I doubt this strategy could actually displace Bloomberg unless there's a technological edge that (1) delivers real, ongoing value and (2) can't be matched by Bloomberg within 1-2 years. Problem #1 is what you mentioned with VR/AR $APP Killers - they mostly suck. They create value via novelty, which wea…

You're not going to displace Bloomberg - the amount, quality and timeliness of the information they provide is on a completely different level (and a completely different business).

You're going to get wads of cash from people eager to consume their Bloomberg data in a better way.

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Post by simonhughes22 »

phyller wrote: post #226

I don't understand why this entire field seems so focused on gaming, and not productivity. The single most interesting thing to me was the "displays on demand". There are two things that would absolutely revolutionize how I work that I would pay big money for: 1) Any sort of glasses that would allow me to view virtual displays in high definition. I don't care if I have to turn my head to see more than one display, I…

I am not sure it's fair to say 'this entire field'. VR is very focused on gaming, but AR has already placed a huge focus on productivity. Hololens and also the Google Glass team (yeah that's still being developed) have placed a lot of focus on business applications, and I believe right now that's the sole focus of glass given it's failure to launch in the consumer space. I think Magic Leap are positioning themselves as the next gen iPhone - they need to get that cool factor to win over the early adopters, and then later will broaden into the productivity space. But from what little information they have released, productivity and non gaming applications is also a large focus of theirs, and I don't think this page indicates otherwise.

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Post by tigershark »

bastawhiz wrote: post #190
mustacheemperor wrote: post #169

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I share the concern that there's still nothing too publically accessible, but the device itself isn't completely under wraps. The journalist in the Rolling Stone article[0] viewed a few demos built between the ML team, including one with Sigur Ros that's got a very small clip on youtube[1]. I suspect building a demo of this kind of tech that's remotely as impressive viewed on a website or youtube video is challenging…

The device is supposed to be in the hands of actual paying customers within a year and they don't even have pictures or video of it _doing something_. Sure it might not be perfect, but there's exactly zero evidence that this product isn't just a hollow chassis. If a demo at this point comes off as half baked, isn't that a gigantic red flag that this product isn't able to cash the checks that Magic Leap is writing? Ni…

I guess you didn't follow it at all. Magic leap showed the demo to a lot of people and the Rolling Stones journalist extensively tested it. How can you suggest that it is just a plastic mockup? As for the content there are hundreds of people working on it both in house and in selected partners like Weta.

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Post by simonhughes22 »

albinofrenchy wrote: post #409
mrighele wrote: post #394

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> I don't understand why this entire field seems so focused on gaming, and not productivity. Is it ? If we talk abour VR, yes, but there are a number of companies actually delivering AR products whose focus is on productivity. Some examples (but there are more) are Microsoft with Hololens [1] Epson with Moverio devices [2] Sony [3] Vuzix [4] Their oldest model are simple smart glasses, it seems to me that they are mo…

I don't know about the other devices, but the hololens is incredibly underwhelming when used. The marketing CGI for it is the best thing about it. I suspect that is probably true also of the magic leap one.

Have you actually tried it? I know some of the developers and creatives that have worked with it, and they say it's more impressive when used in person than it looks in the 2d promo videos, which is the opposite of most devices.

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Post by olegkikin »

Every single lightfield device hides the specs till the launch date. And then it turns out that even if the resolution of the underlying display/camera is 10-20 megapixels, you have to divide it by 9 or 16 to get the actual resolution, which inevitably ends up being very blocky.

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Post by brudgers »

phyller wrote: post #226

I don't understand why this entire field seems so focused on gaming, and not productivity. The single most interesting thing to me was the "displays on demand". There are two things that would absolutely revolutionize how I work that I would pay big money for: 1) Any sort of glasses that would allow me to view virtual displays in high definition. I don't care if I have to turn my head to see more than one display, I…

I think the focus is on gaming because gaming purchases are made with disposable income on disposable items. Selling goggles to a gamer just requires convincing the gamer that goggles are cool.

On the other hand, selling into business means developing business solutions and making business cases for purchase of the solution.

On the third hand, your use case is almost certainly smaller than the gamer market and has many of the same business case features as the business market...which means it pretty much is a business case in that "viewing virtual displays in high definition" is a business solution involving Excel and web development and hammocks and trains. Unlike the game market, the developers of the tools you want to use are not chomping at the bit to work with MagicLeap.

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Post by tigershark »

bastawhiz wrote: post #254
mustacheemperor wrote: post #193

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I agree that it is concerning, but I don't see how an entire multi page article of someone's hands-on experience with the device qualifies as "exactly zero evidence this product isn't just a hollow chassis."

The article, remarkably, has scant few details on the author's experience with the product. This quote sums up my skepticism: >instead they were constructed to give visitors who pass through the facility under non-disclosure agreement, a chance to see the magic in action. It's a controlled environment with purpose-built demos for folks under NDA. There's no videos, renderings from actual hardware, or substantive crit…

This is the reason why I hate conspiracy theorist. You can't argue with them because they think to know everything despite the evidence of the contrary.
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