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Atlassian launches Stride, its Slack competitor

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Re: Atlassian launches Stride, its Slack competitor

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Post by lghh »

jjrh wrote: post #320
lghh wrote: post #67

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Not having to manage a server, better history searching, better ux for less technical users, better user metadata, voice and video calling, and lots of other things. I prefer IRC, but the benefits for a business should be pretty clear for anyone not extremely stuck on seeming like the cool IRC guy in the office.

> Not having to manage a server Seems odd you would want to have you're internal company discussions hosted on a server outside your control. It's especially relevant to companies outside the USA who might not want to have their data under US law. I wouldn't recommend IRC for office communication. XMPP is probably the better tool.

Most companies operate on systems outside of their control. Windows, MacOS, mobile platforms, etc. Why limit it to discussions if that's a concern? If my company makes iOS applications, having to use MacOS and having to live with the possibility that everything that I type is being sent back to some server somewhere that way is just as bad, right?

Re: Atlassian launches Stride, its Slack competitor

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Post by dleslie »

ngrilly wrote: post #410
dleslie wrote: post #408

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Sounds like a severe limitation of discord :)

Ok, LOL :) For the record, I very much like Discord, and I want to use it for a large group of volunteers looking for a coordination and discussion tool. We currently use Telegram. This is why I'm asking this weird questions ;)

Fwiw, I really wished we could just use irc

Re: Atlassian launches Stride, its Slack competitor

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Post by synicalx »

Arathorn wrote: post #397
synicalx wrote: post #357

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I'd like to try Matrix, but I can't get past the Jimmy Wales style begging that greets me on their home page.

This is pretty perverse - strangely enough we're not begging voluntarily or through greed. I'm not sure the fact that we need to pay our rent should turn you off the protocol...

It's not the fact that you need to "pay rent", it's your approach to doing it. As it stands now, I actually quite like the sound of Matrix on paper but I can't present it to my CTO as an alternative to our current comms platform if the first thing he's going to see is begging - it makes it look like the project is dying.

There's obviously a smart team behind this, and the protocol obviously has a lot of potential - I'm positive there are other ways you could fund this.

Re: Atlassian launches Stride, its Slack competitor

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Post by pavement »

emmelaich wrote: post #382
madeofpalk wrote: post #323

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Work somewhere more fun.

It really is a valid point. Humour can easily be overdone. Microsoft's Guide to Humor https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/education/training-and-event...

For a quick demonstration in degrees of contrast in tone deaf humor, compare Google's 2016 April Fool's prank with any of their other Easter eggs, or early Google Doodles, and you can see where the slightest variation of context pretty much ruins everything...

https://www.nytimes.com/2016/04/02/technology/april-fools-un...

This is the sort of thing that scares most people into tepid, mediocre Dad humor at work. Sometimes, that's a healthy fear to have, even if finding yourself burdened by such constraints is unfortunate.

Re: Atlassian launches Stride, its Slack competitor

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Post by jjrh »

kuschku wrote: post #392
jjrh wrote: post #328

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Why not XMPP though? Why hang onto IRC? I mean sure this is cool but it's client specific features with no standardisation of the protocol (correct me if i'm wrong). If I have to install a special client (quassel) to access these features how is that any better than installing a XMPP client? Only thing IRC has going for it is the existing userbase, most of who run clients that won't support these new features.

Actually, all these features are being standardized into the IRC protocol. That's the good part. And we've got all the developers of all the major IRCds and cloents together, working on these things. In contrast to XMPP, where support for an XEP between clients is spotty, and in contrast to Matrix, where a single dev team runs the server with ~50% of global users, builds the clients, and servers. I agree that XMPP is…

Is it IRCv3? http://ircv3.net/ Is the plan to update RFC 2813 and RFC 1459?

Either way neat, and good luck. Like it or not, IRC is certainly going to be around for a long long time. It's going to be a long time before you get project devel/help channels to move elsewhere!

Re: Atlassian launches Stride, its Slack competitor

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Post by GordonS »

jjrh wrote: post #320
lghh wrote: post #67

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not having to manage a server, better history searching, better ux for less technical users, better user metadata, voice and video calling, and lots of other things. I prefer IRC, but the benefits for a business should be pretty clear for anyone not extremely stuck on seeming like the cool IRC guy in the office.

> Not having to manage a server Seems odd you would want to have you're internal company discussions hosted on a server outside your control. It's especially relevant to companies outside the USA who might not want to have their data under US law. I wouldn't recommend IRC for office communication. XMPP is probably the better tool.

> Seems odd you would want to have you're internal company discussions hosted on a server outside your control

Our legal department wouldn't let us use Slack, for exactly this reason

Re: Atlassian launches Stride, its Slack competitor

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Post by GordonS »

protomikron wrote: post #358
pavel_lishin wrote: post #231

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> None of the features you mention are useful for actually communicating and getting work done. I respectfully disagree. It's incredibly helpful to be able to video/voice call a coworker instead of typing back and forth. It's also incredibly helpful to be able to quickly past a screenshot of an issue you're seeing, or to paste a quick snippet of code, or log, with nice formatting. Yes, I could use my phone or another…

> It's incredibly helpful to be able to video/voice call a coworker [...] In my experience it is pretty rare in software development to have the need for a voice/video call. There are use-cases but they are rare and better handled by a specific software. > It's also incredibly helpful to be able to quickly past a screenshot of an issue you're seeing [...] And also painful. Sometimes I get screenshots from terminal sc…

> In my experience it is pretty rare in software development to have the need for a voice/video call

And in mine, it's very common! I lead a distributed team, and frequently it's easier and quicker to move from text chat to voice in order to explain something.

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