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> When the proper social constraints aren't in place, money = energy = more babies. Funny, it is actually money = better healthcare = less infant mortality + higher cost of raising child = less fertility rate = less babies. Rich countries don't have more babies than poor ones, its the opposite.

>Rich countries don't have more babies than poor ones, its the opposite. Rich countries are market democracies. They have the proper social constraints. In a market democracy it's more like you described, but not entirely, there are plenty of people who abuse the welfare systems to have as many children as possible for the tax credits and other benefits.

Clearly you don't understand the mentality of developing countries. Do you think they are socialist utopia?

I am from India. And the main sentiments for people having more children were - high infant mortality (not knowing who will live to be old, which is still high for India but falling fast), more hands mean more money in home (less people to hire in the farm).

The "more hands mean more money" is exactly what market economy gets you, not a centrally planned communist economy. But with rising standard of living and cost of raising a child, people are moving away from the old mentality.

Re: US quits Paris climate pact

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How is that moving the goalposts? Any poor, overpopulated country is going to have low per-capita carbon emissions, true or false? They also have a lower quality of life and poor GDP. Not exactly a positive goal to shoot for.

You started by saying China emits double the amount of greenhouse gasses the US does. Someone pointed out that it's still lower on a per-capita basis, so you switched tack to "oh, well, yeah, but... WHY DO POOR COUNTRIES GET A PASS!" That, my friend, is moving the goalposts. So you want the US, richest nation in the world, to be held to the same standards as developing countries. Even though, in our economy, pushing…

I'm not trying to set (or move) any goalposts, I'm just pointing out that per capita emissions is a fairly useless metric to judge anything by, for reasons we seem to agree on.

Ideally, I'd want the free market to manage the standards via private certification, rather than some monolithic, global, unenforceable treaty that is little more than virtue signaling via giving developing countries lots of free money for no (or negligible) return.

Re: US quits Paris climate pact

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So you feel like your individual observations in the DC/MD/VA area validate the rejection of a global climate accord? Unless these elitist liberals choose to sit in the dark and not consume power, walk to work (likely impossible, so maybe just not work since working also probably produces a lot of CO2) then there is no reason to attack the problem at a global or national level? What happens to the power companies if…

I'm frustrated and spiteful because I'm an environmentalist. At least republicans are internally consistent: they're not willing to do anything about climate change because they don't think it'll happen. Folks here in DC/MD/VA in contrast profess to believe that this terrible thing is going to happen, but they're not willing to actually do anything that will solve it. Who exactly are the crazy ones? That are lots of…

> At least republicans are internally consistent [in denying climate change or at least saying we should do nothing about it]

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> Who exactly are the crazy ones?

The people denying climate change, or at least saying we should do nothing about it.

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