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Growing Ubuntu for Cloud and IoT, Rather Than Phone and Convergence

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Re: Growing Ubuntu for Cloud and IoT, Rather Than Phone and Convergence

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Post by pawadu »

pksadiq wrote: post #316
int_19h wrote: post #304

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I think it's a combination of largely unrelated historical trends (dating to way back, when Qt was GPL-only, and even before that, when it had its own incompatible license). That said, it's interesting that most commercial desktop software for Linux these days seems to be written in Qt, not Gtk. Also, while this is anecdotal, most new projects (as in, started recently, as opposed to old software having new releases)…

> I think it's a combination of largely unrelated historical trends ... Some of the facts are still true. Say for example, Qt is now licensed under LGPLv3, which several corporate hate. GTK+ is licensed under LGPLv2.1+.

How is LGPLv3 different from the usual binary only libraries the corporate buy??

Also, there is a paid Qt license if you don't like *GPL.

Re: Growing Ubuntu for Cloud and IoT, Rather Than Phone and Convergence

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Post by pawadu »

hackuser wrote: post #286

Could it be forked? Is there a community that would continue to develop Unity?

This is a fork of canonical's unity 8 repository as of April 5, 2017. Following Mark Shuttleworth's announcement to abandon unity 8 development, we are planning to continue working with the project.

https://github.com/unity8org/unity8org

Re: Growing Ubuntu for Cloud and IoT, Rather Than Phone and Convergence

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Post by ComputerGuru »

xtracto wrote: post #252
unethical_ban wrote: post #231

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That's a 6 year old screenshot. They've made incremental improvements since... but yes, I've grown to appreciate it. The most annoying part of unity7's interface is its alt-tab function: It toggles between apps, not windows, and that's annoying.

That's the same behaviour as OSX. At first I also hated this behaviour, coming form the Linux/Window environment. But after using it in conjunction with ALT+` (to cycle through app's Windows) I actually find it better than the standard Windows behaviour.

Hey, what do you know. We just released this last month, but it didn't get any love from HN:

https://neosmart.net/blog/2017/easy-window-switcher/

Re: Growing Ubuntu for Cloud and IoT, Rather Than Phone and Convergence

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Post by spronkey »

pyre wrote: post #333
methodin wrote: post #325

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My phone is a computer. My chromebook is a screen attached to a computer. My desktop is a monitor attached to a computer. My work laptop is a screen attached to a computer. My tablet is a screen attached to a computer. Why do I need so many separate computers when I have my phone on me at all times?

Because your phone will never have the raw power that you can pack into a larger form factor? Granted, after a certain point this may only be relevant for specific tasks.

But what if I could plug my phone into a dock that gave me substantially more power, but I didn't have to make a massive context switch i.e. wait for syncing over a network for files etc, or log in again and load up what I already had open?

Re: Growing Ubuntu for Cloud and IoT, Rather Than Phone and Convergence

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Post by sametmax »

franciscop wrote: post #236
sametmax wrote: post #230

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I really wonder if they events are related though. I can't imagine Shuttlework saying "ok, those guys in HN called it", but on the other hand, the timing given motives match so perfectly.

I have no idea but my guess is that it's not the reason , but it's the straw that broke the camel's back (that's the saying, right?)

I wouldn't know I'm not a native english speaker.

Re: Growing Ubuntu for Cloud and IoT, Rather Than Phone and Convergence

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Post by NoGravitas »

justinclift wrote: post #175
gshulegaard wrote: post #57

I may be a minority, but I am very saddened by this. Not because I have any particular love for Unity, but rather I share Mark's conviction that convergence is the future. Love or hate it but Unity was IMO the best shot we had at getting an open source unified phone, tablet and desktop experience...and now this is effectively Canonical not only shutting down Unity, but refocusing efforts away from convergence and tow…

MaruOS might be interesting for you: http://maruos.com https://github.com/maruos Only the Nexus 5 and 7 are fully supported at present though.

Huh. I have a barely usable Nexus 7 2012. Might be worth getting a used Nexus 7 2013 in order to play with this.

Re: Growing Ubuntu for Cloud and IoT, Rather Than Phone and Convergence

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Post by dingo_bat »

pcr0 wrote: post #345
pyre wrote: post #336

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My biggest issue with the macOS way is that there are edge causes when using Spaces. The biggest being "stand-alone" Chrome apps like Signal Desktop are still tied to Chrome, even though they get their own icon and a separate place on the Dock. CMD-Tab'ing to Signal Desktop might just send me to a Chrome window. Ugh.

That's why Google has been phasing out Chrome apps for a while now.

Google has been phasing out chrome apps on all platforms because alt tab is broken in osx?

Re: Growing Ubuntu for Cloud and IoT, Rather Than Phone and Convergence

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Post by madprops »

jeremyjh wrote: post #195
frik wrote: post #136

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Gnome 2 and KDE 3 were pretty good. Then both shells lost their way. Why do they try to be a bad clone of macOS rather than keep being a Win98 on steriods (KDE 3) or a more simple shell for normal users (Gnome 2).

I think KDE Plasma 5 is really quite good. I switched to it from Unity when I switched to Arch last year. I don't ask for much from a desktop system, but I like how easy it is to customize KDE. I don't think it tries to be OS X at all - seems like a slightly more tasteful Win 7 to me; though I see that in Gnome.

Yeah, to be honest I think Ubuntu should've picked KDE. It's a more direct competitor to Windows 10 which is in my view the best desktop OS. Gnome 3 is nice, just had it installed a couple of days ago. But some things are unpolished, some don't make sense. GTK open dialogs don't even have proper image previews which has been a feature requests for a lot of years (something KDE does have).
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