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Switching from macOS: The Basics

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Re: Switching from macOS: The Basics

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I'm right there with you. The only thing that keeps me on a Mac is the combination of Unix + Half decent UX. If someone built a paid Unix/Linux distro that could run Mac Apps, I'd give away my extra kidney for it. Windows almost has me sold with their new Ubuntu subsystem.

Good luck porting the mac libraries to Linux [1] :P [1] https://www.darlinghq.org/project-status/

Supporting GUI apps will be magnitudes harder.

Re: Switching from macOS: The Basics

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I think for those who are not able to install and configure Linux manually from scratch not using a graphical installer would be better to use Windows 10 (not a bad OS), with no irony. Since such kind of articles and "simplified" systems like that "elementary OS" do hide Linux complexity. One day user will face a really serious OS issues and will stuck with that not knowing what to do (for example not bootable system…

A typical Windows user is going to have no clue what to do if they have a serious OS issue too.

Re: Switching from macOS: The Basics

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They still had 10 years to do that. complaining about the lack of tooling they didn't develop is idiotic, they are in charge of the language themselves.

Well, not all people have the expertise or willingness (in case of volunteers) to work on this. Switching to Rust would allow them to leverage somebody else's work. Also, GObject itself made a lot of sense in an era when C was dominant. Maybe now, not so much.

Switching to Rust isn't going to solve Gnome management problems. You could make the case that they should ditch Gtk and adopt Qt, it would actually make more sense than rewriting Gtk in Rust given the amount of work it represents. But you complaining about the tools that don't exist is still ridiculous, the problem is why these weren't developed at first place.

Re: Switching from macOS: The Basics

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I think for those who are not able to install and configure Linux manually from scratch not using a graphical installer would be better to use Windows 10 (not a bad OS), with no irony. Since such kind of articles and "simplified" systems like that "elementary OS" do hide Linux complexity. One day user will face a really serious OS issues and will stuck with that not knowing what to do (for example not bootable system…

A typical Windows user is going to have no clue what to do if they have a serious OS issue too.

Windows on desktop is a more stable system than Linux on desktop.

Re: Switching from macOS: The Basics

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Ah okay. Yeah, Fedora is really focused on GNOME :/

That's really sad to hear.. if you think the GNOME 3 UI is buggy, childish, opinionated, and hard to customize (I've yet to get a downloaded theme to work right the first time) Fedora is a non-starter. Which is really too bad. It's the only RPM distro I've seen that's reasonably well put together.

Actually I think gnome 3 is (at least wasn't) too bad compared to Unity, UX wise - I just personally preferred KDE.

Edit: this -

> Which is really too bad. It's the only RPM distro I've seen that's reasonably well put together.

Anything specific I should be aware of wrt OpenSUSE?

Re: Switching from macOS: The Basics

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I try Ubuntu about once a year, in the hopes of getting rid of OSX. But each time, the reason for going back to Apple ID is interoperability : Try dragging stuff (images, fotos, links, files, formatted text ...) from one program to another, including the "dreaded" Finder; Works nearly always in OSX. While Ubuntu has come a long way with these things, I think it's still an even longer way away from what OSX can do. So…

I would suggest you try "Synapse" - its really good at being a Finder alternative - https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/synapse

Re: Switching from macOS: The Basics

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I really wish someone would start a paid OS based on Linux and OSS tools. I'd happily pay $100/y (year being, new versions/etc) for a stable and awesome UI/UX. As it is, my Macbook Pro Retina has been crashing a lot and doing weird things frequently since i upgraded to Sierra. Between that and the latest Macbook Pro notebooks, i just don't like Apple anymore. I'm pretty set on buying a highend laptop _(similar build…

I'm a KDE user / occasional contributor. I love the new Breeze theming and all the effort that went into the icon set along with it. I've used Macs in the past, and find the UI garish and much more intuitive, and way less customizable. It is definitely a case of "to each their own", but the only issue with KDE right now is developer churn. As the writers and more experienced developers in some applications reduce the…

It's all subjective but I find that KDE apps need a lot of work in terms of control flow, UI hierarchy, white space usage. To me, these are some of the things that macOS and most third party applications for it get very much right, and coming from it KDE feels... jarring. In some ways it feels modern but in others I feel like I'm using Win9x, complete with overcrowded windows and dialog tunnels, with a new coat of paint. It would greatly benefit from someone sitting down and giving it all a rethink.

GNOME sits on the other side of the spectrum on these issues but I personally find it and in fact most GTK+ apps more aesthetically pleasing and more well organized even if all the buttons are too huge and its white space is like a football field.

Re: Switching from macOS: The Basics

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I wish I had known that trick. I payed some money for it, which isn't unusual since I often donate money to open source or activism. But this time I regret every cent. Coming from Mac OS, or even Fedora, Elementary seems unpolished and unstable.

Some of you Mac guys are a weird bunch IMO: Talk more than others about usability - happily gloss over all kinds of weirdness[0] in your expensive setups.[1] Happily pays quite a lot for your Macs - "regret every cent" after donating peanuts for the development of a Linux distro. Just saying. Edit: downvotes welcome! I cannot buy anything for my Internet points here in Western Europe. A textual description of my wron…

OSX has plenty of weirdness, but in my experience it's still more usable by far than Windows and a million miles away from any desktop Linux distro. I use it because it's the best available, not because it's perfect in every possible way. It's not, and nothing is. But it's a generally excellent GUI around a UNIX core, which is perfect for me.

I hackintosh so I'm less well-placed to answer your second point, but I'll try: A Mac is expensive, but you know exactly what you're getting and you know it will work well (recent dongle madness notwithstanding).

Meanwhile, eOS markets itself (previously implicitly and now apparently explicitly) as a potential replacement for OSX. But it's nowhere near. It's an outdated version of Ubuntu with some basic custom apps on top (a calculator, another basic wrapper around webkit, a slightly cleaned up fork of a file browser, etc).

And then you stray to the third party apps, and as always with desktop Linux, they're awful. Everything uses a slightly different toolkit, the UI elements are ugly, UX seems to be devs' lowest priority item, and of course you can't completely interact with industry standard formats (DOCX, PSD). The Intel Mesa driver still tears and/or stutters (actually all drivers do except Nvidia's) so watching videos is an awful experience.

Most of those items above are not fatal by themselves, but together they make for a miserable experience. I used desktop Linux (mainly Ubuntu) for over a year since I needed to do some dev and couldn't run OSX at the time. I won't try again unless there's a revolution in the desktop FOSS world. (Good video drivers, standard well-designed toolkit, UX as a priority, deeper integration of things like WINE.)

I do have some family members who use ancient core2duo laptops and do absolutely everything in Chrome. I pop Ubuntu MATE on their machines so they can avoid malware. I also always keep a live USB stick handy for flexible troubleshooting. As far as I'm concerned, this is basically the limit of usefulness for desktop Linux.

I understand some people value the flexibility above everything else and thrive under desktop Linux. I'm not trying to devalue their views or say that their setup is wrong. Use whatever works for you- but if you haven't gave OSX a serious shot yet, do try it.

Re: Switching from macOS: The Basics

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In the USA it's 13.5%, and I'm willing to bet that in urban US areas it's even much higher. Here in London (UK) it has to be at least 20%-30%. But yeah, not everyone's using Macs. It's the biggest vendor, but there are more non-Macs than Macs.

Another distinction to make is business vs private users. Unless something has changed recently, Macs are basically unheard of in offices (aside from maybe the receptionist), so if 50% of the market is businesses where there's 0% market share, "how many people use a Mac at the coffee shop" will overstate their overall market share by 50%.

I not sure about the office bit though. In my office there are some macs although they are a minority. I'm also not sure offices account for 50% of the computers.

But yeah, many other variables to consider. Age as well, it's mostly younger people in coffee shops.

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