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Re: Microsoft Surface Studio

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Post by sangnoir »

draw_down wrote: post #388
1st1 wrote: post #3

I have to say this is the first time in years when there's a feeling that MS has outpaced Apple. The product looks amazing.

They got whupped bad in the mobile market, and PC market has been stagnant/in decline for some time now. They have to come up with something .

> PC market has been stagnant/in decline for some time now. They have to come up with something.

Quick, someone page Apple because Mac sales are declining even faster than the market. Surely they have to do something, that's the only possible motivation /s

Re: Microsoft Surface Studio

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Post by usaphp »

ewzimm wrote: post #409
usaphp wrote: post #401

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Wacom Cintiq 27QHD 27": $2300 [1] Core i7 PC with Gtx 1080: ~$1750 [2] = $4050 for a much more powerful machine and $150 cheaper + upgradable [1] - https://www.bhphotovideo.com/bnh/controller/home?O=&sku=1113... [2] - https://pcpartpicker.com/b/f2qkcf

That monitor is just under 3.69 billion pixels compared to 13.5 billion on the Surface Studio. It doesn't include the dial interface, the real-life scaling, the pivot mechanism, the color profiles, a lot more. It's probably the closest you can get, but not in the same league.

I agree, that's why Microsoft had to sell this monitor on its own, without that PC attached.

Also I did not see any mention of pressure sensitivity on that Studio panel, if it does not have it - it's a major point to still choose Wacom.

Re: Microsoft Surface Studio

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Post by B1FF_PSUVM »

TheOtherHobbes wrote: post #172
existencebox wrote: post #115

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Disclaimer: msftie. I don't buy that, despite how much I hear it. there are a few situations I'd agree that if you don't have the first-to-market advantage you're basically fucked (social networking being a prime one, any system where network effect dominates). And while people cite apps as being the "network-effect-esque" factor in this case, I'm not sure I buy that. Looking at data of how many people NEVER use a si…

Arguably true. But the real problem is simpler: consumers don't trust MS. You've inflicted too many false starts, bad products, update nightmares, u-turns, and unplanned obsolescences on the consumer market. MS as a consumer brand has mostly negative/indifferent associations. You could build the best product in the world, but unless you can sell it in reasonable quantities and prove you're committed to supporting con…

> consumers don't trust MS.

Well, Microsoft is actively chasing consumers away. Proof: reneging on OneDrive offer to Lumia phone buyers, current lineup of two phones nearing end of production.

They want to be Oracle in place of ORCL, milking those big fat enterprise cows, and the stock market is nodding approvingly.

Good luck, godspeed, and thanks for the nice phones. Didn't last long, but was OK while it did. Designers never got any props, too.

Re: Microsoft Surface Studio

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Post by toyg »

ohstopitu wrote: post #391
mwfunk wrote: post #382

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NTFS has a functional equivalent to soft links in the form of reparse points, although I don't know to what degree that feature is exposed in the UI, if at all. Last time I looked into it (admittedly, years ago) they could only be created via the command line. Not sure what you mean by "can't have long paths" though, NTFS allows you to programmatically create paths up to 32,767 code points long: https://msdn.microsof…

Windows seems to have a certain hard limit on file path characters (a max of 160) which they seem to have recently removed [0] - So while my point is technically moot it's not enabled by default. As for soft links, a lot of linux tools create soft links (ln -s from to) and generally that fails on NTFS (I tried installing a bunch of npm modules and all had this specific issue)[1]. [0] - https://mspoweruser.com/ntfs-26…

I think the problem here is that Linux NTFS drivers are all a pile of reverse-engineered hacks, so obscure features are overlooked or not fully implemented.

Now, Microsoft should be in a position to put something better into their WSL, but that might entail the risk that someone else will hack that implementation and provide good drivers for everyone, something they clearly don't want (or they would have provided open specs for NTFS support by now).

Re: Microsoft Surface Studio

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Post by draw_down »

sangnoir wrote: post #411
draw_down wrote: post #388

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They got whupped bad in the mobile market, and PC market has been stagnant/in decline for some time now. They have to come up with something .

> PC market has been stagnant/in decline for some time now. They have to come up with something. Quick, someone page Apple because Mac sales are declining even faster than the market. Surely they have to do something , that's the only possible motivation /s

Yeah, if only they had another product which makes tons of money............. hmmm................ I wonder what it could be......................

Re: Microsoft Surface Studio

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Post by [deleted] »

mozumder wrote: post #26
1st1 wrote: post #3

I have to say this is the first time in years when there's a feeling that MS has outpaced Apple. The product looks amazing.

As an Apple (Mac Pro, MacBook Pro, PowerBook, PowerMac G5) user for 15 years, of photo processing & inDesign layout, I agree. XCode & iOS development is going to keep me on Apple for now, though, but the Linux subsystem for Windows is really appealing. The BSD Unix environment is the whole reason I went with Apple in the first place. OS X is basically a Unix workstation & perfected anything the Linux desktop wanted t…

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Re: Microsoft Surface Studio

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Post by ewzimm »

usaphp wrote: post #412
ewzimm wrote: post #409

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That monitor is just under 3.69 billion pixels compared to 13.5 billion on the Surface Studio. It doesn't include the dial interface, the real-life scaling, the pivot mechanism, the color profiles, a lot more. It's probably the closest you can get, but not in the same league.

I agree, that's why Microsoft had to sell this monitor on its own, without that PC attached. Also I did not see any mention of pressure sensitivity on that Studio panel, if it does not have it - it's a major point to still choose Wacom.

The Wacom has the pressure level advantage: 2048 vs 1024 levels on the Surface. But with well-calibrated software, it should be enough. I'm not sure if people can discern 2048 levels of pressure, and I'm sure this device was tested on a lot of artists. Can't comment from experience but I would think the delay would be a bigger issue than levels (MS say they optimized for delay.)

Re: Microsoft Surface Studio

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Post by nailer »

munchbunny wrote: post #235
nailer wrote: post #18

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Surface Book is brilliant. Solid as a rock, keyboard better than a Mac. Battery life in tablet mode sucks, but as a laptop it's excellent.

I've had some minor gripes about the reliability of the hinge connection, the behavior of the FN key, and DPI switching on Windows in general. That said, ever since the Intel firmware fixes addressing the power management issues, the Surface Book has been the perfect general purpose mobile computer for me. Crisp screen, solid keyboard, long battery life, lightweight, and the stylus has been sufficient for replacing g…

Did the Intel firmware fixes come via Windows Update or did you have to do something specific?

DPI oddness (moving between low DPI external monitor and high DPI internal one triggered it) seems much less now.

Re: Microsoft Surface Studio

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Post by illuminati1911 »

mozumder wrote: post #26
1st1 wrote: post #3

I have to say this is the first time in years when there's a feeling that MS has outpaced Apple. The product looks amazing.

As an Apple (Mac Pro, MacBook Pro, PowerBook, PowerMac G5) user for 15 years, of photo processing & inDesign layout, I agree. XCode & iOS development is going to keep me on Apple for now, though, but the Linux subsystem for Windows is really appealing. The BSD Unix environment is the whole reason I went with Apple in the first place. OS X is basically a Unix workstation & perfected anything the Linux desktop wanted t…

"Linux subsystem for Windows is really appealing." Have you actually tried it out?

I thought nobody anymore believed in this after the first versions came out and people actually had a chance to try it in action. There are endless amounts of bugs, unimplemented features, complications between 2 filesystems, permissions, applications etc.

When MS announced this I was pretty hopeful. Not that I would change my dev-computer from way superior macOS to Windows, but that when I'm at home gaming on my Windows PC and I get some cool idea, I could do some small development or create simple prototypes without changing from my desktop to my laptop. After trying it out for real I don't belive anymore this "linux" subsystem thingy is ever going to be anything more than niche PoC.

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