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How the Sugar Industry Shifted Blame to Fat

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Not OP, but: * Avoid processed anything. Most especially soft/fizzy drinks, baked goods, candy, fruit drinks, jams, jellies, syrups, most processed cereals. * Eat fresh vegetables, some fruit, legumes. Whole grains for breakfast (rolled or steel-cut oats). Meat, eggs, and dairy if they're in your diet. * Check breads and other products for added sugar, in all forms: sugar, molasses (often added to "rye" breads as col…

What do you think about white rice? Google lists white rice (1 cup, cooked) at 0.1g. Conversely, brown rice shows 0.7g for the same portion. Are these simple sugars? Is this bad for me?

A reputable nutritional guide (and I've listed several, though there are many others) will be far more reliable and complete than me. Please refer to them.

If you care to share your findings, report them back to the discussion.

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Not OP, but: * Avoid processed anything. Most especially soft/fizzy drinks, baked goods, candy, fruit drinks, jams, jellies, syrups, most processed cereals. * Eat fresh vegetables, some fruit, legumes. Whole grains for breakfast (rolled or steel-cut oats). Meat, eggs, and dairy if they're in your diet. * Check breads and other products for added sugar, in all forms: sugar, molasses (often added to "rye" breads as col…

What does it precisely mean for a food to be "processed"? "Processed" in general just means "went through some kind of process", which covers pretty much anything (if a local farmer collects their apples in a bin and moves them across the field that's a process) but in relation to food it has a negative connotation, so it must be specific processes the food was involved in that are unwanted? What about these processe…

"Processing" is a continuum, not a binary. I'll let you work it out from there.

Re: How the Sugar Industry Shifted Blame to Fat

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So food with sugar but also a decent amount of fiber is fine? Like vegetables, certain fruit and whole grain bread? What should the fiber:sugar ratio be? Broccoli has 1.7g sugar and 2.6 fiber per 100g. Bananas have 12g sugar and 2.6g of fiber. I guess you should avoid food that goes below 1:1?

Glycemic index/load help a lot to answer these questions.

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The dose makes the poison - there's a pretty dramatic correlation between low level fluoridation like the kind that's added to water and oral health, with not much at all linking it to health issues. http://www.york.ac.uk/inst/crd/fluorid.htm http://www.nature.com/bdj/journal/v192/n9/full/4801410a.html

I would not say that is dramatic or even meaningful. The findings are full of statements on how the the studies they considered were "of moderate quality, but of limited quantity". And they conclude with saying basically that they have no conclusion.

I think we may have read different studies. From the conclusions on the second link:

From the evidence available, it can be concluded that fluoridation of public water supplies does prevent caries and is associated with fluorosis.

Personally speaking, I'd call 15-25% reductions "dramatic".

Re: How the Sugar Industry Shifted Blame to Fat

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I really like this response and I do truly believe that cutting out or minimizing sugar is a truly beneficial thing. But when I got to this: > I can't even drink a soda, I spit it out as the most disgusting thing imaginable I had a hard time taking the rest of your comment seriously. I can understand it being too sweet to your now adjusted taste buds, but calling it the most disgusting thing imaginable is just plain…

Sounds like you might have an unusual sensitivity to exaggeration. It is a symptom which affects a small percentage of the population, and is treatable. Talk to your comedian or an entertainment specialist about treatment options. (In fairness, I strongly dislike soda. I can imagine worse things, of course, but in the universe of commonly consumed beverages, bubbly sugar water is pretty close to the bottom of the lis…

I can't believe how long I laughed at this comment. I literally rolled around laughing uncontrollably on the floor at this comment. All my coworkers are staring at me funny now. This is one of the most amazing comments I've ever seen on HN. Well played good sir, bravo.

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A really smart guy said to me once something like, “if you are smart and have money and you don't eat well then you are not smart”. I can't remember the exact quote but the sentiment really stuck with me. Look I'm no expert but I'm telling you the results are outrageous. Please do your own research as I only really have a school boy understanding of how this affects the body. My skin cleared up, my ailments all disap…

I really like this response and I do truly believe that cutting out or minimizing sugar is a truly beneficial thing. But when I got to this: > I can't even drink a soda, I spit it out as the most disgusting thing imaginable I had a hard time taking the rest of your comment seriously. I can understand it being too sweet to your now adjusted taste buds, but calling it the most disgusting thing imaginable is just plain…

I used to drink soda a lot younger then. I no longer drink them aside from using a can every half a year to do cooking (for the effects, not taste), and that was in 2015.

In fact, if you quit soda (and drastically reduce sugar intake), you'll find sugar and those soda stuff very overwhelmingly. At most a sip. The claim is not hard to resonate with.

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> Think systemically, please. Especially if you're in tech. Which is why I would follow Occam's Razor in this scenario instead of using a convoluted theory to explain why someone slipped on ice. "Simple is better than complex." [1] [1]: https://www.python.org/dev/peps/pep-0020/

I'm not claiming either that: 1. The direct cause of Robert Atkins' fallin on ice was heart disease. 2. That his falling on ice is proof of heart disease. Rather, I'm explaining how, as one of several precipitating factors , heart disease might be a factor in the question posed: "I don't get it: heart disease causes people to slip on ice?" I'm suggesting that a multifactor risk analysis be considered. It's the same m…

I see what you're saying now, but to be frank you could have saved some time with a shorter explanation.

Re: How the Sugar Industry Shifted Blame to Fat

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So what did you actually eat? It seems like sugar is everywhere these days.

The easiest way to eat healthy is to only buy things in the supermarket that have one ingredient. Pretty soon you'll notice you're only buying fruit, vegetables, pasta, rice, beans & non-processed meat. Disclaimer: of course you could buy pure sugar or pure lard - so don't do that :)

Also, cheese and butter and possibly milk.
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