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The Dropbox hack is real

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Re: The Dropbox hack is real

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Non tech savvy? Everyone does this. It's practical. Sure most of us have a few passwords we reuse, but I know less than 5 people with truly unique passwords.

Considering the consequences of password breaches, it's decidedly impractical. Password managers make it very easy to have unique passwords for all websites. I don't even know any of my passwords.

Except the one to your password manager :)

Re: The Dropbox hack is real

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Non tech savvy? Everyone does this. It's practical. Sure most of us have a few passwords we reuse, but I know less than 5 people with truly unique passwords.

No, lots of people use password managers. You should try one.

I tried lastpass and it's been nothing but a pain in the arse. I still use it but I frickin' hate it.

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A rough estimate for using spot instances on EC2 says you can get maybe 40 trillion SHA1 hashes per dollar. (700MH/s and just under $.07/hour) So one dollar will crack a password 7 characters long. A million dollars will crack a password 10 characters long. Switch to bcrypt and you're now at 25 million hashes per dollar on those same instances. Now you can barely crack passwords that are 4 characters long, or for a m…

Pro tip: Build your own GPU cluster out of consumer gear. It's orders of magnitude cheaper because GPUs for the data center are expensive and/or slow. Our commercial cracker is consumer gear in a custom built chassis in colocation. Cloud GPU just isn't there yet.

So, please give some rough stats :)

Re: The Dropbox hack is real

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"Better" is subjective. I consider Google Drive much better, personally. Alternatives, though? Plenty: Google Drive, Box, OneDrive, iCloud Backup and iCloud Drive.. the list goes on with a simple Google search for "online storage"

Does google drive work the same way as Dropbox? Cross platform, acts as a folder in your home dir, selective sync, etc? Seriously ready to move on from Dropbox and my google fiber account comes with a free terabyte of google drive.

There's no Drive for Linux, alas.

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> Unique-per-service email addresses work pretty well as a canary for breaches I do this too, but it taught me everything is breached - the local ambulance service, the local computer store, the local car share, small businesses overseas that I've placed orders with. Some of the big names don't seem to be, which is lucky because otherwise I'd be wondering if it was the ISPs that had been breached. Either large chunks…

My favourite was the unique email I used for a Russian visa application. Either the consulate was ridden with malware, or they just sold my address.

Shouldn't the word be"riddled with"?

Re: The Dropbox hack is real

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All of my passwords are based on the website name that I'm logging in to. I have a small algorithm in my head about how to generate a password from the site name that looks at stuff like first and last letter, number of letters, some kind of prefix/suffix, etc. And I end up with a unique password around 20 characters that I don't need to remember for every website. This way I don't ever remember a password, I just re…

When one of the sites you use gets breached, you'll want/need to change your password and won't be able to use the same single algorithm. This will throw things of as you won't be able to use a single algorithm. Sure you could not use two. But you'll need to remember what sites use which one.

not to mention forced password recycling.

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If you use a YubiKey then you can move tokens between devices without needing to trust a third party, nor worry about them somehow being exfiltrated from your phone. https://www.yubico.com/

Has anyone had yubikey fail? I have one on my keychain, never an issue in years, but I can't help but be concerned, one day, I will be locked out...

When I ran a CA, half of my root key to unlock the more sensitive keys was stored on an older Yubikey on a necklace and it never left my neck. That includes the shower and rolling over on it in bed. I couldn't make that thing fail, and arguably I wanted to based on how I treated it. (Back it up, though.)

Re: The Dropbox hack is real

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> Self hosting is the way to go. Because you can secure it better than them? Or because you'll be less of a target?

For me, that would be most probably both if I were serious. Less of a target of course (I'm only one dude), but also much less attack surface. Basically install a trusty GNU/Linux or Open BSD, set up automatic updates, and block everything but SSH. Oh, and disable password based logins —use a public/private key pair of appropriate strength. Or better yet, ask actual security experts about that setup, they're likely t…

This sounds like a simple setup the average HN spouse would have no trouble with at all.

Re: The Dropbox hack is real

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Make sure you sign yourself up for something like https://haveibeenpwned.com if you haven't already. Sometimes being timely in responding to leaks can make a big difference on any further leaks.

I'm not sure how much I can trust the results of a site that claims an email address I only use for one site has been breached on sites and services I've never been to. However it's calculating if what you enter into the form appears in the leaked content sure gives a lot of false positives. Which I suppose forces more awareness, but it doesn't instill a lot of confidence.

A false positive from your perspective doesn't mean your email address isn't actually being used to sign up for things.

My primary personal email address is routinely used by a small handful of other real people (all strangers) for all sorts of things - college applications, car insurance, some address books think it belongs to a cousin who gets included in a lot of group threads about reunions and full of photos. I've found the families more difficult to unsubscribe from than the services, name+email associations spread like a virus. I routinely get alarming/misleading "Someone has your password!" security alerts from Google after someone tries to list my email as a backup account.

These little strings we use to identify ourselves can be typed by anyone, anywhere, bot or human. I wouldn't worry too much about false positives.

Re: The Dropbox hack is real

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Make sure you sign yourself up for something like https://haveibeenpwned.com if you haven't already. Sometimes being timely in responding to leaks can make a big difference on any further leaks.

Fun fact: Have I Been Pwned neither salts nor hashes the creds which it stores on its website, potentially making itself an interesting target for hackers[0]

[0]: http://risky.biz/RB388

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