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The first person to hack the iPhone is building a self-driving car

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Re: The first person to hack the iPhone is building a self-driving car

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Post by atarian »

bcohn91 wrote: post #46
jpfr wrote: post #37

Prototypical case of the 80/20 rule. He has implemented the happy case. But that system is nothing people realistically would want to drive their cars. What he did is impressive. But the results are not that outlandish for a talented person. 1) Hook up a computer to the CAN-Bus network of the car [1] and attach a bunch of sensor peripherals. 2) Drive around for some time and record everything to disk. 3) Implement so…

Why is the first comment on HN minimizing this truly impressive project? Of course it's not perfect, he's ONE person.

It's a custom on HN. Look what happened when DropBox was announced on HN: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=8863

Re: The first person to hack the iPhone is building a self-driving car

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Post by unclebucknasty »

oldmanjay wrote: post #370
webmasterraj wrote: post #297

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One person can build something that starts a revolution. See Woz/Apple. The real issue here is that self-driving cars are probably the wrong place for that to happen in AI. At best, a solo project creates a crappy prototype where there was no product before (again, see Woz/Apple). The expectation for driverless cars is too high – they need to be 100% good, because your life is on the line, not 80% good. What's the AI…

I don't follow why AI vehicles need to be 100% good. Plain old human-driven vehicles sure aren't and we accept their utility as being worth the trade.

Imagine the day an AI vehicle causes an accident that otherwise would not have happened.

Even if AI cars are statistically better than humans on average, it's an issue of control. It's true that most accidents are avoidable and caused by human error, but most people are (perhaps overly) confident in their own ability to drive safely (this is also why people text and drive).

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Post by BHSPitMonkey »

austenallred wrote: post #405
jpfr wrote: post #37

Prototypical case of the 80/20 rule. He has implemented the happy case. But that system is nothing people realistically would want to drive their cars. What he did is impressive. But the results are not that outlandish for a talented person. 1) Hook up a computer to the CAN-Bus network of the car [1] and attach a bunch of sensor peripherals. 2) Drive around for some time and record everything to disk. 3) Implement so…

> Guy builds a fucking self-driving car. By himself. > Not that outlandish for a talented person What planet are you living on? I don't know what you did today, but I played with some jquery animations. This guy drove around in a self driving car that he built himself . It doesn't solve for edge cases? Neither do 90% of CRUD apps. Holy shit. Give some credit where credit is due. This is not an ordinary or average out…

Well, he didn't actually build the car. He built a system that operates the existing car's steering and speed controls. And comparing the proper software solution to a CRUD app undermines the work that's been done by the big players in the space for the past several years.

Re: The first person to hack the iPhone is building a self-driving car

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Post by austenallred »

BHSPitMonkey wrote: post #413
austenallred wrote: post #405

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> Guy builds a fucking self-driving car. By himself. > Not that outlandish for a talented person What planet are you living on? I don't know what you did today, but I played with some jquery animations. This guy drove around in a self driving car that he built himself . It doesn't solve for edge cases? Neither do 90% of CRUD apps. Holy shit. Give some credit where credit is due. This is not an ordinary or average out…

Well, he didn't actually build the car. He built a system that operates the existing car's steering and speed controls. And comparing the proper software solution to a CRUD app undermines the work that's been done by the big players in the space for the past several years.

Well yes, he only built the software that operates a car without a person driving it, connected it to a car, and did it all by himself. One person.

My point was that what 99% of HackerNews does is likely nowhere near as interesting or as difficult, so when the top comments are all shitting on someone who did something that's actually pretty amazing, HackerNews can go to hell. I mean that from the bottom of my heart. I'm done here.

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Post by Animats »

fapjacks wrote: post #326
Animats wrote: post #242

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"Prototypical case of the 80/20 rule. He has implemented the happy case. But that system is nothing people realistically would want to drive their cars." I'm painfully aware of this. Ten years ago I ran one of the 2005 DARPA Grand Challenge teams. That's about what we produced with less than three full time equivalent people. We didn't have to handle other vehicles, but we did have to handle off-road conditions. Ours…

I am really, really interested in the work your team did. Do you have links to your body of work that I could sift through?

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Post by acta_physica »

snowwrestler wrote: post #250
knodi123 wrote: post #214

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Isaac Newton invented calculus in his early 20s

He also nearly killed himself with alchemy experiments. He was very right about some things, and very wrong about others.

And he started doing this in his 30's/40's when he had stopped contributing to physics. Maybe you grow more senile the more you age.

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Post by tim333 »

2muchcoffeeman wrote: post #397
engi_nerd wrote: post #382

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How is it not impressive to take bits of knowledge from multiple domains (programming, instrumentation, electrical engineering, control laws, etc) and fuse them together into a single thing? We all take from the good work of those around us. But how many people seriously do things with that work? Not many, and disdaining people who do so is not productive or, in my view, a good thing.

I think because the goal posts keep moving with technology. The number of people who have ever combined knowledge from multiple domains into a useful thing may be small relative to the general population, but it's been done. The first time it's impressive. Then others add different ideas and concepts. Then everyone can do it and it feels old. We've also seen all the news from Google about their efforts and the pain p…

>but that's just irresponsible

It's not like it's unsupervised. Is it any more dangerous than taking a learner human diver out in a car?

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Post by heisenstalt »

jpfr wrote: post #37

Prototypical case of the 80/20 rule. He has implemented the happy case. But that system is nothing people realistically would want to drive their cars. What he did is impressive. But the results are not that outlandish for a talented person. 1) Hook up a computer to the CAN-Bus network of the car [1] and attach a bunch of sensor peripherals. 2) Drive around for some time and record everything to disk. 3) Implement so…

Why take someone down when what they've done is awesome?! Just suggest improvements, be constructive.
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