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Re: OkCupid urges users to abandon Firefox

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Post by Houshalter »

davidgerard wrote: post #19
steve19 wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Mr. Eich had their way, then roughly 8% of the relationships we’ve worked so hard to bring about would be illegal" I don't know much about Eich, but I don't think he was working to make same-sex relationships illegal (like Uganda or nigeria). it does okcupid no credit to infer that he does (using weasel words like "people like Mr eich".) saying "eich wanted to prevent 8% of our customers from enjoying the fulfillmen…

"but I don't think he was working to make same-sex relationships illegal" No, just marriage. His $1000 annulled existing gay marriages, and the situation didn't recover until 2013. You can't seriously expect that there won't be LOTS of people REALLY PISSED OFF ABOUT THAT. You can think they're wrong ... but those people are your prospective customers too.

His $1,000 didn't do that, a majority of voters did.

Re: OkCupid urges users to abandon Firefox

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Post by Houshalter »

davidgerard wrote: post #37
gocarsno wrote: post #34

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Then I'd say you either don't know how tragic the situation in Uganda is, or you have no sense of proportion.

http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Not_as_bad_as "The "not as bad as" argument, or the fallacy of relative privation, is a form of the moral equivalence fallacy that takes note of the existence of things that are worse than what is actually under discussion - for different purposes, as outlined below. It's popular with people who know perfectly well they're doing something wrong; being fully aware that they're doing someth…

No one is making that argument. The GP comment said "it's close enough" to the situation in Uganda for his purposes. Goscarsno just claimed that that's not true at all (which I believe is correct - the situation in Uganda is objectively far worse.)

No one is making the argument that you are objecting to or using a worse situation to justify anything.

http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Strawman

Re: OkCupid urges users to abandon Firefox

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Post by Houshalter »

webwright wrote: post #113
gojomo wrote: post #78

And if this doesn't work, eventually when you try to message a Catholic, Mormon, Muslim, or other religiously-observant person from a denomination whose leaders publicly disapprove of homosexuality, you'll see a message from OKCupid like: Religion isn't normally the business of a website. But you've expressed an interest in dating someone whose religion denies equal rights to gay people. Sure, this person may seem OK…

Today, it's being anti-gay-rights is acceptable to lots of people. 50 years ago, being a racist was acceptable to lots of people. Would you work for or buy products from a CEO who was an unapologetic racist just because his beliefs were a product of his family/community? A good question to ask: If you think we will evolve to the point where gay rights are a given, what should we do right now ? Should we be respectful…

Do you think that these actions are actually furthering the cause of gay rights? It seems to me it's just an emotional reaction to want to "punish" the "hated enemy" [1]. And people on the other side will have the opposite reaction and further their bias against marriage equality supporters.

[1] http://lesswrong.com/lw/gw/politics_is_the_mindkiller/

Re: OkCupid urges users to abandon Firefox

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Post by Borogove »

Osiris wrote: post #396
Borogove wrote: post #391

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For the record, you can still use OKC with Firefox; you just get a lecture when you do it. Is it okay to discriminate against Nazis, or is that hypocritical?

That depends. Have they actually killed people or just talked about it?

Seriously? That's your dividing line?

Incidentally, you mentioned threats to Eich above; I haven't personally seen any but I don't support threats of violence to him. I don't even have particularly strong feelings one way or the other about boycotting Mozilla. Mostly we're having a conversation here.

I do feel it's perfectly reasonable to point fingers of shame towards Eich for his donations and weaseling, and at Mozilla for elevating Eich.

Re: OkCupid urges users to abandon Firefox

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Post by Borogove »

exodust wrote: post #398
Borogove wrote: post #389

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Federal law doesn't recognize civil unions. Separate but equal is never equal.

Then the issue is: Federal law needs to recognise civil unions.

Or we could just say that Federal law shouldn't engage in sexual discrimination re. legal marriage.

Re: OkCupid urges users to abandon Firefox

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Post by adl »

spicyj wrote: post #31

Mozilla released a blog post on Saturday clearly stating: > Mozilla supports equality for all, including marriage equality for LGBT couples. https://blog.mozilla.org/blog/2014/03/29/mozilla-supports-lg... There's no evidence that Brendan Eich will bring any of his political views to the workplace; this continued backlash feels unwarranted.

Can the CEO of a corporation still function as CEO when he personally doesn't believe on his company policies?

Mozilla supports equality for all, including marriage equality for LGBT couples, but his new CEO does not? I'm sorry, but it just does not compute.

Re: OkCupid urges users to abandon Firefox

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Post by scarmig »

victorhooi wrote: post #394
scarmig wrote: post #386

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Not overblowing at all. Marriage is a human right. Since you're in such an affected high dudgeon over apartheid [1], here's a question for you: was the ban on interracial marriage something anti-apartheid activists blew off as just a jolly good time that's not at all oppressive, or did they consider it part and parcel of an oppressive system? [1] An aside: Do you know anything at all about apartheid? Did you actually…

Well, your point is actually a logical inequality - apartheid was against the idea of interracial relationships, married or not. It's not exactly like these interracial couples were offered a "union" which conferred the same rights, but don't call it a marriage. But even if they were, it's still not close to the current battle over gay "marriage". For most of recorded human history, the concept of marriage was very m…

So it comes down to "God made Adam and Eve, not Adam and Steve." You just recite a long litany of naturalistic fallacies and claims that marriage is X because marriage is X.

Yeah, there's a reason people think people who support straight marriage while opposing gay marriage are homophobic bigots.

Re: OkCupid urges users to abandon Firefox

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Post by victorhooi »

scarmig wrote: post #407
victorhooi wrote: post #394

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Well, your point is actually a logical inequality - apartheid was against the idea of interracial relationships, married or not. It's not exactly like these interracial couples were offered a "union" which conferred the same rights, but don't call it a marriage. But even if they were, it's still not close to the current battle over gay "marriage". For most of recorded human history, the concept of marriage was very m…

So it comes down to "God made Adam and Eve, not Adam and Steve." You just recite a long litany of naturalistic fallacies and claims that marriage is X because marriage is X. Yeah, there's a reason people think people who support straight marriage while opposing gay marriage are homophobic bigots.

Dude, it's biology....sigh.

(And probably anthropology thrown in there as well).

I don't get it, for people who claim to be super-rational, and only believing in "evidence", some of you atheists are a strangely illogical bunch.

And then when you say "Err...but wait, did you actually think this through - what about X?", they start throwing around labels like BIGOT, BIGOT!!!! NYAH NYAH!!!

Ok, I'll try and put in in HN tl'dr terms =).

Man + Woman = Procreation

That is a fact of life (literally, the fact of life) - human's engage in sexual reproduction.

For most of recorded human civilisation, we've had marriages - to try and foster the family unit, and engage in aforesaid procreation.

Now, in modern times, we've had an upsurge in homosexual relationships - some people decide to have sexual partnerships with same-gendered people.

Now, this can't by definition by procreative - which for most of recorded history was the point of marriage and families.

So some parts of society want them to come up with a new term to describe this relationship, which is sexual in nature, but not about families or procreation.

However, the other group say that because their relationships are sexual in nature, and they still like the concept of kids, they should still use the same label.

Re: OkCupid urges users to abandon Firefox

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Post by Fakeyfakerson »

matt_heimer wrote: post #229
sentenza wrote: post #151

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Wait. The guy is also the inventor of Javascript. Shouldn't everybody be boycotting that? I mean it has a lot more to do with him than Firefox does. After all, he's the CEO of Mozilla Corporation (not the Foundation), which is only indirectly connected to Firefox, but he _invented_ Javascript! What am I missing here?

JavaScript is something he produced, think of it as a work of art. The language itself doesn't portray his personal beliefs on topics other than language design. Putting him in charge of people who lifestyle he is not accepting of is different. It will influence the choices he makes in dealing with people and in how the organization behaves. If the language had something like logging levels which were labeled by dero…

So you're saying you'd boycott Nazi Germany, but you wouldn't boycott an art gallery that displayed Hitler's paintings?
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