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Re: Atom

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Post by jvm »

gavinpc wrote: post #377
tzs wrote: post #341

From "The Zen of Programming": ------ Hearing a disturbance, the master programmer went into the novice's cubicle. "Curse these personal computers!" cried the novice in anger, "To make them do anything I must use three or even four editing programs. Sometimes I get so confused that I erase entire files. This is truly intolerable!" The master programmer stared at the novice. "And what would you do to remedy this state…

> Sometimes I get so confused that I erase entire files OT, but just this week my wife did something that really got me thinking about how far computers haven't come in terms of usability. I heard her say "O crap" from behind her macbook, and out of habit I came to assist. For some reason unknown to both of us, she had pasted the text of an email into a document called "thesis.docx", and then saved it. The text was c…

Vim persistent undo solves this problem:

http://vimdoc.sourceforge.net/htmldoc/undo.html#undo-persist...

...I'm sure Word will catch up eventually.

Re: Atom

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Post by shittyanalogy »

victorhooi wrote: post #328
shittyanalogy wrote: post #314

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Some people with lives "not that interesting" don't want to give up their privacy. Some of us even understand that there is no such thing as "anonymous statistics". It's not about a big government spying conspiracy. It's about basic privacy and not giving out data about yourself that you don't want to give out. There are also enormous trust implications.

Hmm - but let's take your idea and think it through to it's completion. It's fine to say, oh but the privacy! But that in itself isn't an argument. It's just an appeal to emotion, with no facts. What do you think will happen if Github has usage data on how you use their text editor? Or what do you think will happen if Google knows what websites you search for? These aren't rhetorical questions - I'm actually curious…

I don't think you honestly want to know "what scenarios people actually think will play out" and that you question this way solely for the sake of argument. I think you have your mind made up and would rather snark at people that have an opposing opinion.

That being said, it's no stretch to understand that some people just don't want to volunteer personal information especially originating from software.

There are enormous trust implications with any sort of software that phones home for any reason. And if the software source code isn't publicly auditable it can be impossible to actually verify what information is being sent from your machine. I personally don't think it's possible to actually trust closed source software. I don't care that it's socially normal to ignore your personal computing privacy. I care about mine.

Re: Atom

#403

Post by sdegutis »

Maybe it's not true of all JavaScript GUI apps, but almost all the ones I tried are hecka sluggish for things like drag+drop. I could see that being a problem with tabs in this case. Plus I'm concerned about the CPU on my poor little MBP, Chrome usually eats it all the way up, is that somehow mitigated in Atom?

Re: Atom

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Post by enscr »

pyoung wrote: post #210
natural219 wrote: post #63

I am very excited about this, I love the Github team and this looks like a great tool. My only question is -- why should I switch to this from Sublime Text? Are there specific use cases it handles better out of the box, or is it more of a modular base that will be expected to grow and outfeature ST2/3's seasoned plugin economy? I am very happy with Sublime Text now, but I would be willing to switch if either it gaine…

I like sublime, but my primary computer has an ARM processor and there is no sublime port. The sublime developers have stated that they don't have the bandwidth to handle an ARM port, and that's fair. But I find it difficult to justify paying for a license, when I can only use the editor ~25% of the time. An editor that is sublime-like and works everywhere would be awesome. I can't tell if atom has this, but a hosted…

'Primary computer is ARM' - and you are a developer? I'm genuinely curious about your setup & work.

Re: Atom

#405

Post by fhars »

gavinpc wrote: post #377
tzs wrote: post #341

From "The Zen of Programming": ------ Hearing a disturbance, the master programmer went into the novice's cubicle. "Curse these personal computers!" cried the novice in anger, "To make them do anything I must use three or even four editing programs. Sometimes I get so confused that I erase entire files. This is truly intolerable!" The master programmer stared at the novice. "And what would you do to remedy this state…

> Sometimes I get so confused that I erase entire files OT, but just this week my wife did something that really got me thinking about how far computers haven't come in terms of usability. I heard her say "O crap" from behind her macbook, and out of habit I came to assist. For some reason unknown to both of us, she had pasted the text of an email into a document called "thesis.docx", and then saved it. The text was c…

VMS file versions solved that problem in the late 70ies. We are not learning anything from out history as a profession.

Re: Atom

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Post by sillysaurus3 »

unfunco wrote: post #398
greyskull wrote: post #385

Earlier quoted context omitted.

She probably had closed the file before the "o crap". Undo does no good there.

Then this really isn't a usability issue, if you replace the entire contents of a document with the clipboard, then click or shortcut to save, then click or shortcut to quit the application, that's really a human issue. It's too many steps to be labelled as a usability problem. ⌘-Z should have been adequate.

If the computer remembered every modification of every document, then users would be protected from incidents like this.

Re: Atom

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Post by dkasper »

unfunco wrote: post #398
greyskull wrote: post #385

Earlier quoted context omitted.

She probably had closed the file before the "o crap". Undo does no good there.

Then this really isn't a usability issue, if you replace the entire contents of a document with the clipboard, then click or shortcut to save, then click or shortcut to quit the application, that's really a human issue. It's too many steps to be labelled as a usability problem. ⌘-Z should have been adequate.

Whether it's a human issue or a software issue it could still be solved by better software.

Re: Atom

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Post by sergeykish »

gavinpc wrote: post #377
tzs wrote: post #341

From "The Zen of Programming": ------ Hearing a disturbance, the master programmer went into the novice's cubicle. "Curse these personal computers!" cried the novice in anger, "To make them do anything I must use three or even four editing programs. Sometimes I get so confused that I erase entire files. This is truly intolerable!" The master programmer stared at the novice. "And what would you do to remedy this state…

> Sometimes I get so confused that I erase entire files OT, but just this week my wife did something that really got me thinking about how far computers haven't come in terms of usability. I heard her say "O crap" from behind her macbook, and out of habit I came to assist. For some reason unknown to both of us, she had pasted the text of an email into a document called "thesis.docx", and then saved it. The text was c…

It's not her fault. One should be able to undo file system changes. Bell Labs solved this long ago by storing every file version forever http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fossil_(file_system) Storage is cheap
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