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Re: SendGrid Fires Company Evangelist After Twitter Fracas

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Post by blhack »

RougeFemme wrote: post #389
blhack wrote: post #319

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I would never argue that you have to act like a boy to get respect. That would be horrible. And I agree that people are different. I was, I'm sure, [partially due to my chromosomes and reproductive organs] raised in a different context than you. This doesn't make one of us better than the other, it just makes us different from one another. But what Adria has done here, and why I think it is so damaging to what I cons…

I would not have reacted as she did. I would have tuned it out nothing or spoken to them privately. And I know that a lot of women, including me, would have not have been offended at all. But there have been times when I've told guys (that I know) that even though I wasn't offended by what they just said, some women would be. I don't tell them not to say it; I just give them a heads-up.

Well thank you. I wish that Adria had reacted that way.

Re: SendGrid Fires Company Evangelist After Twitter Fracas

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Post by ceol »

_ak wrote: post #177
shardling wrote: post #156

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>I would feel really uncomfortable if I was in the same room as this person. What if I accidentally say something that she finds offensive? Am I next? Next to what? Adria didn't fire anyone...

Shamed publicly, slandered, etc.?

Because Adria is the only person who has the power to shame someone publicly? She's the only one with 9,000 twitter followers, she's the only one with a camera phone, and she's the only one who can upload photos to twitter?

I find the concern of being in the same room as her incredibly stupid.

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Post by paranoiacblack »

josh-j wrote: post #301
paranoiacblack wrote: post #256

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No, you're missing that racism is a systematic oppression of a certain group or people. HN isn't the best place for speaking about social issues, so I won't write you an essay about what's wrong about what you're saying. I'll just say I believe you and others are conflating the terms prejudice and racism. I'm guessing that's what you're describing by "common-usage-racis[m]." Indeed, black people can be prejudiced aga…

You're lacking an understanding of linguistics and philosophy. Both usages are no more correct than the other, and the point of such usages is to ascribe a connotation to a cluster of things along a continuum. Arguing over definitions is pointless (I can create my own definition of racism and it will be equally valid), the point is what they connote.

We'll never agree because I'm arguing about what racism is (a semantic argument) and you're arguing about how racism is defined (a pedantic argument). Perhaps my original post was a red herring. I was merely justifying that what she said lines up with a known definition, not that it is the ONLY correct definition.

Also, your definition of what racism connotes is severely lacking as well. Simplifying racism to "something that connotes immorality" is a gross oversimplification.

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Post by koz_ »

JohnBooty wrote: post #279
blhack wrote: post #20

I really wish that this whole thing could have ended amicably (perhaps with Adria apologizing to the devs [by the way, the guy who was fired has already publicly apologized]). It's too bad that sendgrid had to fire her, I would never wish that somebody had their livlihood taken from them like that, but her job was to be a developer evangelist, which is a job she isn't realistically capable of performing anymore. I wo…

> I would feel really uncomfortable if I was in the same > room as this person. What if I accidentally say > something that she finds offensive? Am I next? I wouldn't feel uncomfortable around her at all, because I find it very easy to avoid saying sexually inappropriate things to women I don't know. I have quite an off-color sense of humor myself. I joke a lot and a lot of those jokes involve sex, bodily functions,…

I suspect the person who got fired wouldn't have self-identified as someone who finds it difficult to avoid saying sexually inappropriate things, either.

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Post by obstacle1 »

knowtheory wrote: post #300
WalterSear wrote: post #271

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It also happens to men in female dominated fields and social enviroments. It's not inherently sexist - humans use stereotypes to categorize everything and everyone, and we haven't, as a society, codified how we should navigate these kind of conflicts without butthurt.

But men in female dominated fields tend not to get death threats and photos of beheaded corpses, or threats of rape. The way that women get treated in male dominated fields like tech really has gotten worse.

I don't think this is true. If we could somehow compile a list of all the people 4chan has attacked over the years I'd bet we'd see equal opportunity trolling.

What was that incident a while back, where the "security expert" offered a reward for breaking into his site? 4chan took up the offer, succeeded, and trolled the guy relentlessly. Death threats, photoshops, you name it. And he was a _male_ in a male-dominated field.

The fact is the Internet just isn't a nice place a lot of the time.

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Post by s_baby »

knowtheory wrote: post #337
s_baby wrote: post #316

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A) 2nd wave feminism is a zero-sum ideology. Try talking about the education gap in public education or male rape and see how fast it turns into a victim-hood pissing contest. B) 2nd wave feminists see gender as the most fundamental form of discrimination with economical and ethnocentric discrimination being derivative and secondary. I can see why an African-American individual would be offended by middle class white…

Which feminist circles are these? How many 2nd wave feminists do you know? The only ones i know of live in all female enclaves in rural areas. I kind of regret the knee jerk posting, because i think camus intent wasn't to convey what i was accusing him of conveying. I think it was just a poor choice of words. But I do think that equal attention isn't necessarily paid to issues of discrimination against white women vs…

>How many 2nd wave feminists do you know? The only ones i know of live in all female enclaves in rural areas.

I live next to a women's college and my ex-gf comes from a family of 2nd wave feminists.

>But I do think that equal attention isn't necessarily paid to issues of discrimination against white women vs women (or anybody) of color.

That's an understatement. Look at the aftermath of raising rape awareness in America. Majority of the resources have gone to college campuses and middle class white areas. Even though these are the groups of women least likely to be the victims of abuse. Feminists have monopolized these resources to women of their own class and ethnicity.

Re: SendGrid Fires Company Evangelist After Twitter Fracas

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Post by davidrudder »

edgesrazor wrote: post #133

I think Playhaven owes everyone involved with this a better explanation on exactly why this employee was fired. Were they just looking for a reason to get rid of him in the first place, or did what happened at PyCon really justify his termination? Let's not forget - there's a lot of Sendgrid customers who have become collateral damage in this fiasco who have nothing to do with any of it, and probably still have no id…

http://blog.playhaven.com/addressing-pycon/

Not a lot of detail there, but it's better than nothing.

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