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Devices with GrapheneOS support should be available in 2027

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Re: Devices with GrapheneOS support should be available in 2027

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Noaidi wrote: post #186

This is good news but not so much good news for us poors. I was waiting four this announcement in hopes of getting away from google totally but with the 2026 Moto Signature going for $1000 I am sure the 2027 will be more so I will probably get Pixel 10 instead. Maybe this will lighten the price on the Pixel 10's though...

Motorola's flagships are going to be their first devices providing the updates and hardware-based security features required by GrapheneOS. It will come to lower end devices but it will take longer.

Snapdragon 8 Elite Gen 5 is the first Qualcomm SoC with hardware memory tagging (MTE). MTE isn't even available on the slightly lower end Snapdragon 8 Gen 5. A lot of the SoC security features are segmented based on price and only the flagship SoC platform has everything we need. Snapdragon's upcoming next generation SoC is the first truly providing everything we need. There's still a lot of work to do since providing the features on paper is different from having those fully integrated to match what we have on Pixels.

Re: Devices with GrapheneOS support should be available in 2027

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fooqux wrote: post #231
Noaidi wrote: post #186

This is good news but not so much good news for us poors. I was waiting four this announcement in hopes of getting away from google totally but with the 2026 Moto Signature going for $1000 I am sure the 2027 will be more so I will probably get Pixel 10 instead. Maybe this will lighten the price on the Pixel 10's though...

If this is successful, I can see this trickling down to the lower end phones in the following years. If for no other reason than keeping their hardware as similar as possible.

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Re: Devices with GrapheneOS support should be available in 2027

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Post by grapheneos »

fooqux wrote: post #231
Noaidi wrote: post #186

This is good news but not so much good news for us poors. I was waiting four this announcement in hopes of getting away from google totally but with the 2026 Moto Signature going for $1000 I am sure the 2027 will be more so I will probably get Pixel 10 instead. Maybe this will lighten the price on the Pixel 10's though...

If this is successful, I can see this trickling down to the lower end phones in the following years. If for no other reason than keeping their hardware as similar as possible.

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49368750

Re: Devices with GrapheneOS support should be available in 2027

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fph wrote: post #278
bushwart wrote: post #217

High end Motorola phones :((( where is my Graphene flip phone?

It's reportedly going to be available on the 2027 version of the Razr Flip https://www.motorola.com/us/en/p/phones/razr/razr-2026/pmipm...

It will likely be able to support the 2027 variant of the Razr Ultra. It may be another year before we can support the devices a step down from the flagships. It mainly depends on when the lower end Qualcomm SoC adds the security features we need, if Motorola switches to Qualcomm from MediaTek for more of the non-flagship devices and when Motorola can commit to providing longer updates for those. We're likely only going to support Snapdragon Motorola devices for the time being but it could expand further in the future when another SoC platform has what we need too.

https://www.motorola.com/us/en/p/phones/razr/razr-ultra-2026... is the Razr Ultra 2026.

Re: Devices with GrapheneOS support should be available in 2027

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Post by Eueudhsbsj32 »

grapheneos wrote: post #366
Eueudhsbsj32 wrote: post #333

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On my Linux laptop, I use bubblewrap sandboxes with their own encrypted filesystems and granular permissions for each of my projects. Very easy and secure with NixOS, surely better than what I could do with an Android device.

No, it doesn't come anywhere close to the privacy or security provided by AOSP. You could be dividing up your projects into highly sandboxed environments on Android too. It has support for running multiple hardware accelerated virtual machines running desktop Linux and it wouldn't be that hard to support creating those with NixOS and other distributions instead of only the standard the Debian images provided by Andro…

Yes, it does, at least for my threat model. AOSP (with Google Play Services, which are needed to do much useful) mean that a whole lot of closed source system binaries are running with full access to all my data and constantly phoning home to Google.

Re: Devices with GrapheneOS support should be available in 2027

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Post by bigfishrunning »

tclancy wrote: post #305
bigfishrunning wrote: post #170

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Why should Linux users have to agree? run what you want, it's your computer.

Well, if you want a mass market device that runs Linux, you have to meet the market. Otherwise we can start tracking 2525 as the year of Linux on the smartphone. If man is still alive.

The concept of a mass market device is sort of incompatible with the freedoms we generally associate with linux -- Android is really the closest thing we can hope for. It runs a linux kernel, a very non-standard userspace, and is relatively locked down (when compared to a general purpose linux distribution)

I think "linux smartphone" would end up looking very similar -- some UI on top of a kernel with a very non-LSB userspace; therefore the concept is really not all that compelling

Re: Devices with GrapheneOS support should be available in 2027

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Post by wseqyrku »

__MatrixMan__ wrote: post #249
wseqyrku wrote: post #192

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I can't care less about "apps". Web is already powerful enough to do all sort of stuff on device. That said, I think wasi containers support for a mobile OS would be a game changer. (^ Here's a startup idea if you're looking out for one. I for one throw out all my devices from the balcony to get this)

You can run wasm components in tauri apps, and tauri supports building for android. I haven't figured out how to make them talk with each other though. I imagine that's the place where I'd notice this lack of support.

There are things that you just can't do with wasm. wasi was designed to fill the gap. If you can remember, wasi was all the craze right before AI came out and suddenly it just faded in the background.

Re: Devices with GrapheneOS support should be available in 2027

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Post by AuthAuth »

Cider9986 wrote: post #29

Specific devices: >At the time of writing, within ~12 months, in 2027, the 2027 Signature, Razr fold, and Razr flip will meet the hardware security requirements and should have official GrapheneOS support. Motorola is currently porting GrapheneOS to their devices. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49038982

I really hope this device doesnt have the razr branding

Re: Devices with GrapheneOS support should be available in 2027

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Post by AuthAuth »

bigfishrunning wrote: post #170
throwIeoeor wrote: post #62

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Because Android is miles ahead in terms of security, permission management, app separation, power management, privacy... Linux crowd can not even agree on compositor, and if systemd or sudo is a good idea.

Why should Linux users have to agree? run what you want, it's your computer.

Because there are only a few people who actually build this kind of software and if they cant agree how it should look. No projects will have the dev power to come out with a solution.
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