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Hacker wipes Romania's land registry database

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Re: Hacker wipes Romania's land registry database

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Post by inigyou »

kakacik wrote: post #388
hughw wrote: post #241

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communists really say "social ownership of the means of production"

It was tried many times, it never worked for exactly 1 same reason over and over again - for all that utopia to actually work sustainably long term, it expects ideal citizens. As in selfless, truly dedicated to society above their own needs, uncorruptable and non-realistic in other ways. I've seen it personally fail miserably and destroy entire nation's spirit for generations to come (on top of other things destroyed…

China is ahead of the US right now though

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Post by busterarm »

ajsnigrutin wrote: post #399
alt227 wrote: post #87

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Freak accidents occur everywhere. Helmets save a lot more lives then causee deaths overall.

Yep, same with seatbelts... a lot of broken ribs, etc. and people complaining. If you crashed so hard, the belt broke your ribs, without the seatbelt, you'd be dead right now, head first through the windshield. I mean sure, you wouldn't be complaining about broken ribs, but yeah...

I wasn't even complaining about either. I use both. I just think it's pointless to bitch about other people gambling with their own lives.

If someone wants to win a Darwin award, let them. Because you can just as easily do all the right things and get taken out regardless.

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Post by tomthe »

leoc wrote: post #331
ButlerianJihad wrote: post #273

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The circumstances in which you actually need to physically present your Social Security card are quite rare indeed. In fact, that is the first thing I was told by the ssa dot gov site, when I applied to receive a new card. It is very unlikely that you will be asked, even by a prospective employer, for your actual card, because let's face it: it doesn't even have a photo, or anything but that unique number on it. Anyo…

Here's a pretty good video about a somewhat similar challenge, that of proving your citizenship in ancient Rome: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LTt0qwncDXI .

I thought you were referring to this slightly humorous video about the same topic: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7dO9Lm_CXz0

Re: Hacker wipes Romania's land registry database

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Post by mindslight »

21asdffdsa12 wrote: post #367
mindslight wrote: post #153

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I don't know what you mean by "hold up in court". This seems to be an instance of software engineers making sweeping prognostications about legal matters. "Hold up in court" as in was it duly executed and filed by a certain date, regardless of the time and extra management required for the bank's performance? Yes, why not. "Hold up in court" against someone claiming it was an unauthorized transfer? Even without the b…

The specific argument could be that the sum entered was falsified by the process digitalizing. And any checksum that would have caught that- would be computed after scanning.

FWIW the form I'm referring to didn't have an amount, rather a box checked "transfer entire account".

But sure, IFF you had an instance where an amount transferred was wrong and their various settlement/accounting tallies didn't catch it, and the bank refused to look into and fix it on their own, and you had a reason to believe they used a paper form for that, then yes you would have a good argument that could be used in court!

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Post by refurb »

iso1631 wrote: post #387
userulluipeste wrote: post #307

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"Under normal circumstances, property law in England and Wales dictates the original owner cannot claim their property back even if the title change was made fraudulently." That's... a curious thing to have in the body of laws. What's its purpose and who does it serve?

The US system is more the oddity, its the legacy England system from pre-19th century. England and Wales adopted and modified an Australian system, and its adopted a fair bit across the commonwealth. In other developed countries a lot are very much registry-is-correct. I think France is the main one which is "deeds based" The advantages are you can see who owns the land, there's no argument in 20 years time when some…

The US title system varies by state. Some are deeds based others are Torrens (registry), though deeds based dominates.

And as for being screwed, that’s why real estate transactions have title insurance - to cover damages from incorrect titles.

Re: Hacker wipes Romania's land registry database

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Post by iso1631 »

refurb wrote: post #406
iso1631 wrote: post #387

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The US system is more the oddity, its the legacy England system from pre-19th century. England and Wales adopted and modified an Australian system, and its adopted a fair bit across the commonwealth. In other developed countries a lot are very much registry-is-correct. I think France is the main one which is "deeds based" The advantages are you can see who owns the land, there's no argument in 20 years time when some…

The US title system varies by state. Some are deeds based others are Torrens (registry), though deeds based dominates. And as for being screwed, that’s why real estate transactions have title insurance - to cover damages from incorrect titles.

A neverending land tax to a private company because the state can't keep a record of who owns what

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Post by ghaff »

Dylan16807 wrote: post #321
ilamont wrote: post #314

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> The circumstances in which you actually need to physically present your Social Security card are quite rare indeed. In my state, it's one of the allowed document types for proof of social security number, required to get a real ID drivers license. https://www.mass.gov/doc/ma-real-id-documents-checklist/down...

To get one, but not to renew it, so that's still pretty rare.

In MA, there are a number of documents you can use. I don't have a Social Security card and haven't had in decades and got my REALID.

Re: Hacker wipes Romania's land registry database

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Post by ksec »

skinfaxi wrote: post #5

> Since the hack, officials restored their website and posted a message announcing they are rebuilding the agency's entire network from scratch. Even if the hacker claims they deleted backups, the agency appears to have had an offline copy, otherwise things would have gotten really messy over the coming months in Romania. So it seems not all has been lost. I was worried about the societal implications of being unable…

I wonder what media they used for their offline copy.

Re: Hacker wipes Romania's land registry database

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Post by ghaff »

foobarian wrote: post #398
judemelancon wrote: post #276

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This is not true anywhere I've lived, and I'm curious where it is true.

We have some in northeastern US. However they don't necessarily sit on plot boundaries; I get the impression that surveyors put them wherever it is most convenient for them to better triangulate the land. We found one in our front lawn somewhere near the road, it was a small concrete square that turned out to be a pillar sunk deep into the ground.

Not on my property in New England certainly. In fact, just went through an (expensive) process with a neighbor who wanted to get property lines squared away after they were botched on the initial property subdivision. We were fine with a handshake but both of us knew they really needed to be legalized with easements and such or any sale could become a nightmare.
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