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The CEO of Mullvad is the main financer of the Swedish Örebro party

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Re: The CEO of Mullvad is the main financer of the Swedish Örebro party

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yaris wrote: post #230
leokennis wrote: post #225

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Let's draw this to its ultimate conclusion. Would you subscribe to an excellent VPN service, if it was run by [insert universally abhorred brutal dictator from history here]?

A thought experiment: Let's think of the other extreme as well: exactly the same excellent VPN service, is run by an almost-the-best-person-in-the-world who has just one small quirk that makes them not 100% perfect for you (they pat kittens not as often as you'd like them to do). Obviously there is a border between your extreme and mine, which border defines "use" and "no use" cases for you. And now: wherever this bo…

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Post by honr »

kfreds wrote: post #118

Hi, Mullvad has two owners, founders, and CEOs - Daniel Berntsson, and me, Fredrik Strömberg. All posts I've seen yesterday and today, including the newspaper articles, talk about Mullvad as if Daniel is the single owner, founder and CEO. It should be obvious that Daniel's private donation to a political party is not part of Mullvad's values or mission. If you have any questions, comments or concerns you're welcome t…

If you still wonder why there are sudden attacks on Mullvad, I "heard" there are Chinese (in addition to the others; dual- / triple- vendoring is key) LLM-based tools to check for swarm origins and campaigns.

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gray_-_wolf wrote: post #194
kamaitachi wrote: post #134

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Hi Fredrik I’m a long time Mullvad customer, likely paid Mullvad upward of 400€ in the past number of years, as well as recommended it to friends and family members. What you seem to be missing in your comment, is that some of that money I paid, found its way to support an organisation that has extreme racist views. I’ve reached out to support and requested a refund of my outstanding credit. I’ll be moving on.

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An employee is different from a cofounder.

For example, I certainly boycott anything to do with Elon Musk, for the same kinds of reasons.

You seem to be falling into the "perfect is the enemy of the good" trap. It's not possibly to perfectly boycott every person and organization that deserves to be sanctioned, but that doesn't mean we shouldn't do it where it is possible.

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Post by kgwxd »

kfreds wrote: post #118

Hi, Mullvad has two owners, founders, and CEOs - Daniel Berntsson, and me, Fredrik Strömberg. All posts I've seen yesterday and today, including the newspaper articles, talk about Mullvad as if Daniel is the single owner, founder and CEO. It should be obvious that Daniel's private donation to a political party is not part of Mullvad's values or mission. If you have any questions, comments or concerns you're welcome t…

> This is what allows us to advance our common causes. Being in a tolerant and intellectually open environment is also liberating and promotes truth seeking.

Nope, that is what will get you taken over by the assholes. Reasonable defense is necessary in reality. There ARE bad actors, they must be kept out.

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Post by fzeroracer »

addedGone wrote: post #376
al_borland wrote: post #367

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It’s called voting with your wallet. People in America do this, and are told to do this, all the time. What would you like them to do? Roll over on the co-CEO and throw him under the bus, signaling to everyone that there is a “correct” point of view to have that Mullvad as a company is going to push and promote? Individuals should be allowed to think and do what they want as an individual, as long as it isn’t comprom…

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Post by pesus »

al_borland wrote: post #378
a34729t wrote: post #357

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People who engage in these antics would quickly find that there isn’t a single company where all the employees align with all their values. They would then either need to accept their hypocrisy or reject society completely to live in the forest somewhere.

Maybe we can start with not supporting companies that have cofounders that directly financially support ethnic cleansing.

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kfreds wrote: post #118

Hi, Mullvad has two owners, founders, and CEOs - Daniel Berntsson, and me, Fredrik Strömberg. All posts I've seen yesterday and today, including the newspaper articles, talk about Mullvad as if Daniel is the single owner, founder and CEO. It should be obvious that Daniel's private donation to a political party is not part of Mullvad's values or mission. If you have any questions, comments or concerns you're welcome t…

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Post by ZeroGravitas »

belorn wrote: post #284
leokennis wrote: post #225

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Let's draw this to its ultimate conclusion. Would you subscribe to an excellent VPN service, if it was run by [insert universally abhorred brutal dictator from history here]?

We can easier look at conclusion people make about banks and stock options. Will people invest money into index fonds and pension fonds if those fonds invest money into companies that produce and sell weapons to abhorred brutal dictators? What about buying stocks from telecommunication producers who operate in abhorred brutal dictatorships and who helps those dictators to control their population?

We should improve society somewhat

https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/we-should-improve-society-som...

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