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NIMBY YIMBY have no value when you apply them this indistinctly. You're for any AI data center?
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Re: Data centers trigger voter backlash
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You mean the other businesses (not the DCs) generate more pollution and don't bring in less property tax revenue? Pollution, ok, regular industry generates more. But property tax revenue? Why would DCs provide more property tax revenue?
In Northern Virginia data centers are about 3% of land, but account for almost 50% of local property tax contributions.
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These companies aren't coming in, buying property at market rates, and developing it with existing infrastructure under current zoning laws. They usually want tax breaks, major infrastructure changes, and other accommodations and guarantees. It's completely reasonable for people to want a dialog with their representatives before those kinds of arrangements are made with a company on their behalf. And it's entirely re…
A meeting to get a lamp post change is exactly how progress stops. It is why we can't build anything in US and it costs a billion dollars per mile of high speed rail.
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Pretty sure hackernews doesn't take a giant datacenter to run. Its a text-only website managed by nerds. If HN didn't care about redundancy they could probably host it out of somebody's basement.
And there are zero data centers in between facilitating anything?
These new data centers are entirely a speculative buildout of new capacity to support theoretical (and some existing) demand for AI compute.
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NIMBY YIMBY have no value when you apply them this indistinctly. You're for any AI data center?
Yes, I literally support repealing laws that would prevent someone from building an AI data center anywhere it's legal to build any kind of commercial or industrial facility at all. Also as a housing YIMBYist I'm supportive of massive reforms to zoning laws that would result in legalizing many more types of housing construction, including mixed-use zoning laws like what exist in Japan that would make it legal in prin…
That's not the same thing as the question I asked. That's the answer to "do you support laws that would prevent someone from building an AI data center anywhere it's 'legal' to build any kind of commercial or industrial facility at all."
On the face, not all zoning is the same so it's pretty obvious to me that not all "industrial facilities" are appropriate to build where other "industrial facilities" already exist. For example, there's industrial baking facilities in my neighborhood, but there are not industrial chemical refining facilities in my neighborhood. The latter aren't allowed. By your logic, am I to assume this is okay because it's already the current state of affairs? That just uses an arbitrary date to filter - nonsensical imo. By your logic am I to assume that my neighborhoods prohibition against industrial chemical refining is just inappropriate because we allow industrial baking? We're trying to make sense of the world, not virtue signal via "policy"
Deeper, it's a statement that is so absurdly generalized as to be capable of giving it any useful meaning. You support the construction of AI data centers as a concept? Great. How am I supposed to use this information to navigate any actual disputes about where AI data centers should and shouldn't go.
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So what are the topics people should be able to vote on? I don't think people have the necessary credentials to vote on immigration, drug price regulation, social media regulation? Why let people vote at all, they don't know anything apparently.
How about the nuclear button? I’m curious where you personally draw the line.
We do every 4 years
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It doesn’t “has to be”. You’re speculating just as much.
I don't think so. Look at these numbers: | Year | Capacity (GW) | Construction Spending | | 2015 | 0.2 – 0.3 GW | $1.8 Billion | | 2016 | 0.3 – 0.4 GW | $2.2 Billion | | 2017 | 0.4 – 0.5 GW | $3.1 Billion | | 2018 | 0.5 – 0.6 GW | $4.5 Billion | | 2019 | 0.6 – 0.7 GW | $6.2 Billion | | 2020 | 0.8 – 1.0 GW | $8.0 Billion | | 2021 | 1.2 – 1.5 GW | $10.0 Billion | | 2022 | 2.0 – 2.5 GW | $15.0 Billion | | 2023 | 3.5 – 4…
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Your argument makes sense until you have a horrible neighbor. You can see it in action in a state like Montana which to my knowledge prohibits housing covenants. Want to park 12 cars that are rusting in your front yard? Do it! Neighbors can't do anything about it. But that does have the effect of lowering property value and degrading the neighborhood.
you are the problem. your neighbor isnt doing anything illegal, they are just annoying you. why on earth would you think you should be able to do anything about it? again, owning a piece of property doesnt give you influence over the people around you if they arent doing anything illegal.
You are just putting off the hard work into "doing anything illegal" which is even more ironic considering this is a thread about people either a)passing laws which make constructing ai datacenters illegal or b) voting out politicians they do not believe are acting in the interest of the constituency
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Construction jobs, yes. After that, a skeleton crew and a bunch of people in far off places, possibly outside the country.
So? Since when is there a floor for the number of jobs a business has to create? Suzies Tanning Salon uses a lot of energy but only employs 3 people.
There doesn't have to be but since when is it not in a municipalities ability to make determinations as to what kinds of business can operate within its jurisdiction?
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You realize that "golfs are even worse so why people complain" is not a serious argument?
That’s not the core of the argument. You know that. I’m putting things into perspective for people who are terrified that the last drops of their potable water and going to be used to generate a meme video.