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Re: Job application asked for my SAT scores

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Post by nsagent »

labcomputer wrote: post #290
nsagent wrote: post #251

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do you also think LLM leaderboards accurately reflect the capabilities of the models being tested? If you do, then I can easily point you to numerous academic papers pointing out the various flaws in many leaderboards (from poorly designed benchmarks like bABI and the original SQuAD, to data contamination, and more). In that same way, any test, including the SAT and GRE have flaws. They can be gamed in ways similar t…

Do you think that LLM leaderboards don’t? Do you think a Llama 3 is going to beat an Opus 4.7 on any leaderboard? The real issue is that standardized tests disenfranchise lower SES students less than any other metric. Everyone who takes the SAT has to sit in the same room for the same amount of time answering the same questions. You can’t just pay someone else to take it for you (like essays) or select which difficul…

You appear to be arguing with a strawman; at least you seem to have ignored a central part of my message:

  The issue is that the test is positively correlated with success in an undergraduate program, so they threw out the baby with the bathwster. The real issue is that the SAT is not able to distinguish the capabilities among students to the degree it purports to.

Re: Job application asked for my SAT scores

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Post by naishoya »

SoftTalker wrote: post #374
naishoya wrote: post #281

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Quick answer: YES Longer answer - in the other reply to your doubtfulness. This is true across the entire US system, some state flagship universities curricula are so deficient that graduate level at better schools wont even consider the bachelor level diplomas from those schools as eligible unless the applicant is top n% of the graduating class, where n is a low single digit. The admissions committee may never publi…

> The "Princeton and Harvard(s)" were differently motivated, in that they never had a goal of admitting the majority of High School graduates, and thus were not required to lower levels of educational rigour to meet eroding conditions in primary education. It's easy to find recent reporting on claimed grade inflation, reductions in rigor, and students who seem unprepared or unwilling to do the work at Harvard and Pri…

Yes, this it absolutely true.

Thus the past-tense in the quoted section.

They "were" differently motivated and the slide that began much longer ago in the other schools (and was always present for the 'legacy' students at Ivy-Leagues) has now reached the general student body.

Hopefully this trend will become more visible in hiring practices, will lead to an erosion of the preference for named schools, and employers will adopt a more disciplined path from internship-to-mentorship-to-full_team_membership to compensate for the general loss of capability and readiness from graduates everywhere.

I say, hopefully. I don't see any inclination toward that path from any of the major employment sectors.

Maybe the Ivy-Leagues and top ranked schools will collectively reinforce student performance requirements, encourage educational rigour, accept lower admission numbers for only high performing applicants, use their endowment funds to establish bridge institutions which remediate the shortfalls of public school education and offer trade-school training programs for the masses of students not capable of the high standards.

But, as Mal says, "I'd like to be the king of all Londinium and wear a shiny hat."

So, we're both right. The Ivy League did mean better education, AND it may not be better for much longer due to the incoming student body.

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