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Re: MacBook Neo is so popular that Apple doubled production

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Post by sgt »

lobf wrote: post #259
sgt wrote: post #36

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I figured this out around 2005. Get your entire company on Mac, get your entire family on Mac. Your life will have zero support calls, maybe outside of the intial "How do I install an app" which seems to confuse some people.

Yup. Around 2005 my 83 year old grandpa decided he wanted to learn how to use a computer. I told him to just get a Mac- it’s a little more expensive but the user experience is unparalleled, and the Genius Bar offers (do they still?) classes in using your computer if needed. Never had to help him with buggy software, crashes, etc. It just worked.

My grandmother - at 104, was still rocking her iPad! Sending / receiving emails, doing FaceTime, reading the news.

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Post by pseudosavant »

bdamm wrote: post #159
infecto wrote: post #78

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Part of that reason is Microsoft office is a third class citizen on macOS. Edit: Not sure why this would get downvoted. Weird. It absolutely lags behind windows version of the products by years. Excel did not get ribbon key shortcuts until 6 months ago. It’s a pretty terrible experience for most power users.

How? My experience with Excel, Word, Powerpoint, event Teams, is that they generally work fine. This is unlike the situation from e.g. 20 years ago, when you could barely get work done due to all the crashes, but that is a very distant memory now. There was a brief time during 2019 when Teams on Mac was kind of awful, but that's long ago in the past as well. My biggest complaint these days is that Teams uses far too…

I can't speak for Teams (that is just an Electron app), but all of the legacy Mac Office apps are still a subset of the capabilities of their Windows counterparts.

If you can't tell the difference between Google Sheets and Excel, you probably won't notice the difference between Mac and Windows Excel. But if you are in some role like finance where you spend a ton of time in Excel, the gaps become obnoxiously noticeable. Especially because VBA is completely non-existent on Mac.

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Post by prmoustache »

infecto wrote: post #78
thewebguyd wrote: post #55

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> The thing about Apple is that as the "IT" guy for my family, its ecosystem is the one which needs the least attention from me. This is true in business/enterprise IT also. Any big company that's done a switch, or at least offered an employee choice, almost immediately saw a huge drop in help desk workload from mac users. Legacy win32 apps aside, it's baffling to me that Windows is still the dominant share of comput…

Part of that reason is Microsoft office is a third class citizen on macOS. Edit: Not sure why this would get downvoted. Weird. It absolutely lags behind windows version of the products by years. Excel did not get ribbon key shortcuts until 6 months ago. It’s a pretty terrible experience for most power users.

Many companies nowadays only provide the most basic office license with only web access to office apps for most of their employees. So for those that puts all OS at the same level.

Having said that software lagging in versions/features doesn't mean users are less efficient using the older tool. Are todays office users more efficient in word and excel with the ribbon than they were using office97 a few decades ago? Has it been measured? I know I am still lost whenever I need to find something on the ribbon.

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Post by F7F7F7 »

baq wrote: post #263
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I'm probably one of the few people who prefer Linux+KDE stack over macbook software ecosystem. But hardware wise, macbooks are just blowing other laptops out of water after M3-M4. It's not that mac have become much better but that the rest of the lapto pindustry has just gone to shit: 1. Windows pulling more and more shenanigans 2. Normal laptop hardware becoming as pricey as Mac. I could get much better performance…

Indeed there aren’t many of us, but macOS is easily the worst part of the Mac experience, and worryingly it’s getting comparatively worse vs kde or even gnome each year. ‘It’s POSIX’ doesn’t cut it when I deploy to Linux and I work in containers all day anyway (and wsl is better than macOS at this, too, but the rest of windows went downhill real bad recently). The problem is even before the rampocalypse it just wasn’…

My home runs on Linux and my life/career runs on Mac OS.

I look forward to tinkering and tweaking my home lab but I barely remember my interactions with Mac OS. I like it that way.

It surely beats tinkering with my life.

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Post by rishabhd »

juancn wrote: post #24

I ended up getting two (one for each of my daughters). The thing about Apple is that as the "IT" guy for my family, its ecosystem is the one which needs the least attention from me. It really just works. They have used Windows and Linux before (my kids and wife, that is), but something is always not quite right and needs my involvement. These days gone 100% Mac, my interventions are usually initial setup and whenever…

I am typing this from a 6 year old m1 macbook, and it is still going strong. I think even with the recent flaws of macos and instability, the hardware is pretty great, and if you don't like something, you can still hack your way through it. No windows for me, the only reason I used to rely on windows was its vast software array, reversing applicability and videogames. Now that good cross platform reversing tools are available, and I have migrated to PS5, macos just makes the most sense to me. I got it for 800 USD 6 years back, and it has already given me more bang for the buck.

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Post by shepherdjerred »

Jyaif wrote: post #127
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It will be interesting to see what happens. Other large laptop makers such Dell have some of the same scale advantages (minus in-house silicon) and might be more willing to sacrifice on profit margin.

Dell is screwed by the software and never made the investment in a good touchpad.

Dell had the best touchpads aside from Microsoft and Apple

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Post by bdamm »

drnick1 wrote: post #339
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What is your point? If anything, PRISM argues that Apple users are more secure; it took the NSA a solid five years longer to work their way into Apple. But at this point, every provider is compromised, every country is compromised, so again - what is your point? The government knows a lot about everyone, it has nothing to do with choice of computing platform. It is also worth noting that the USA is not the only count…

> But at this point, every provider is compromised Yes, and its probably fair to assume that Apple and/or the government can access any of your files on your devices or in the cloud. My suggestion is not to use any "provider." Use free software, and keep your data locally on encrypted drives.

Unfortunately, that isn't good enough. Any government has a library of exploits in free software, and there are many documented cases of this. Your encrypted files are only as good as the clients that access them, and that's where the weaknesses lie. Along with the traditional aspects of surveillence, of course. "Amateurs hack systems; professionals hack people."

For the vast majority of people, the hassle simply isn't worth it, especially when the massive reduction in convenience is paired with basically no improvement in security.

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Post by gopher_space »

xp84 wrote: post #157
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> The thing about Apple is that as the "IT" guy for my family, its ecosystem is the one which needs the least attention from me. Same here. Whenever a family member asks which kind of device they should buy, I just tell them to get the Apple device. They're going to come to me if they ever need help with it, and that happens an order of magnitude less with Apple stuff. Plus, I don't even know how to do anything in Wi…

They added a second right-click menu in Explorer now. IDK if this is Windows 11 or if 10 had this. When you right-click a file, you get a shorter menu with a larger font. But it might not have the option you want -- you have to click "Show more options" at the bottom. Then it lags for 1 second (this is a Core Ultra 9 with 64GB of RAM btw) and opens a new one, with the old font metrics, and that one also has all the t…

If I'm using my old laptop with a slow CPU I get to see Win 11 draw an older GUI I recognize and then cover it with whatever they're doing now.

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Post by ThePowerOfFuet »

brandon272 wrote: post #321

I have always had this notion that buying a Mac is the "premium" option, not just in quality, but maybe in price too. I am in the process of trying to find a business notebook for my spouse who is a Windows user. The goal is to have something that is as close to a Macbook Air as possible in terms of price, weight, performance and durability. What I am learning is that nothing that like that exists in the PC world. It…

Panasonic Toughbook FZ-55, either Mk2 or Mk3. They can be had cheaply on eBay, and you can buy parts directly from Panasonic if you want to.

If you have money to burn, the new FZ-56.

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