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Re: 32GB of DDR5 now costs $375 – AI shortage continues to squeeze PC building

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It will only happen if the bottom doesn't fall out of the market for AI datacenters in the next few months.

It's coming up on a year since the crisis started and at every single point it's been "next few months"

Well, that's the thing about a bubble: it can be very possible to accurately tell it's a bubble—and the definition of a bubble is that it's going to pop—without being able to tell just when it will pop.

And given how much of stock prices these days is purely dependent on stock traders believing they'll be able to sell those stocks on to some Greater Fool later, rather than based on the reality of the company the stock is about...well, they can keep the ball in the air for quite a while.

Personally, I suspect that the primary trigger for the big selloff is going to be the upcoming IPOs. Bigwigs get their big bucks, cash out, and leave everyone else holding the bag.

But if any of us knew when events like those were going to happen, we'd probably be rich from that already, hm?

Re: 32GB of DDR5 now costs $375 – AI shortage continues to squeeze PC building

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Yeah, I guess I have a longer view since our first IBM compatible PC was a 286 based XT form factor. And in households with multiple computer users, upgrades could look more like mitosis (or nuclear decay?), with some parts splitting off to form new computers and less clear lineage of one computer just mutating. The buses I was thinking of included ISA, EISA, VLB, PCI, PCIe. Yes there were ways to carry some things a…

> Yeah, I guess I have a longer view since our first IBM compatible PC was a 286 based XT form factor. The first time I used a PC was an Amiga in 1989. As my username implies, I was only 7 years old at the time. My first IBM-compatible PC was a 486, I think in 1993. My dad got a used one and bought some multimedia kit that included a CD-ROM drive and audio card (Likely Sound Blaster, or at the very least, Sound Blast…

Yeah I've got a few years on you...

I was running Linux on my 386 in college in '93. And within a year or so I had upgraded it to 486DX3 and had a DEC Alpha alongside it also running Linux, with the two connected by ethernet.

I haven't bought a discrete graphics card since those days and it was an XGA compatible 2D accelerator. Every 3D card I've used has been in a work machine. At home, I've always used iGPU solutions with my AMD Ryzen laptop being my most powerful. And I had more than one phase where a Thinkpad was all I had as we moved around.

Instead of graphcics, I went crazy with HDD arrays at times. Software RAID with 3-5 disks was the most cost effective and reliable way to do bulk storage for a time period before huge HDDs and SSDs were affordable. I even built a 10 disk mini tower PC for a family member who was obsessed with recording broadcast TV via MythTV.

Re: 32GB of DDR5 now costs $375 – AI shortage continues to squeeze PC building

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Commerce Secretary Howard Lutnick has warned Samsung and SK Hynix they could face 100% tariffs, framing it as a choice between paying a 100% tariff or building memory fabs in America... Punishing instead of supporting.

Do tariff threats still matter? After being struck down, I thought the only new tariffs which could happen would have to be enacted by Congress? Or world that be a fun game where the new illegal tariffs would be on the books until the courts invalidate them again?

The administration is trying every single angle they can to make congress-less tariffs stick. The latest is slapping a bunch of countries with 10% because they claim those countries insufficiently prevent goods produced by slaves from being imported which makes it unfair for producers in the U.S.

Might be true but it’s hard to take that argument in good faith at this point.

Re: 32GB of DDR5 now costs $375 – AI shortage continues to squeeze PC building

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> Yeah, I guess I have a longer view since our first IBM compatible PC was a 286 based XT form factor. The first time I used a PC was an Amiga in 1989. As my username implies, I was only 7 years old at the time. My first IBM-compatible PC was a 486, I think in 1993. My dad got a used one and bought some multimedia kit that included a CD-ROM drive and audio card (Likely Sound Blaster, or at the very least, Sound Blast…

Yeah I've got a few years on you... I was running Linux on my 386 in college in '93. And within a year or so I had upgraded it to 486DX3 and had a DEC Alpha alongside it also running Linux, with the two connected by ethernet. I haven't bought a discrete graphics card since those days and it was an XGA compatible 2D accelerator. Every 3D card I've used has been in a work machine. At home, I've always used iGPU solutio…

> I haven't bought a discrete graphics card since those days and it was an XGA compatible 2D accelerator.

I've never had a PC that didn't have a discrete graphics card.

But I'm a gamer, so a discrete graphics card is basically a necessity unless I stick with 10+ year old games and 2D games.

Re: 32GB of DDR5 now costs $375 – AI shortage continues to squeeze PC building

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We also have decade of studies showing that one of the best ways to boost productivity is to give people more screen real estate. This was true in the 80s, it was true in the 90s, and it didn’t really seem to plateau until something like 5-6K displays. The only reason people didn’t use bigger displays back then was due to the cost — a friend’s dad ran a prints go in the 90s and he really benefited from a display big…

Do you have links to any of these studies? I'm curious since it does not align with my personal experience, I find myself most productive on my single 720p screen -- perhaps I am missing something?

It varies from task to task, and operating system support is a confound, but basically it comes down to how often you have to scroll or switch windows to do whatever you are working on. For example, a print designer might do best with a single monitor large enough to hold the full document they’re working on at comfortable resolution while a programmer might be limited by having their editor and something like a debugger, browser, simulator, etc. simultaneously usable so two monitors might be better than one big one until it’s so big that those all fit.

https://www.jonpeddie.com/news/jon-peddie-research-multiple-...

https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/research/wp-content/uploads/...

http://portal.acm.org/citation.cfm?id=1375718

http://infovis.cs.vt.edu/oldsite/papers/Shupp-HCI.pdf

Re: 32GB of DDR5 now costs $375 – AI shortage continues to squeeze PC building

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There's nothing wrong with 1080p gaming though. You can get a $200 to $300 microcenter cpu+motherboard+16GB DDR5 bundle [1], then $300-$400 GPU, and you'll be able to play nearly every game on the market just fine at 1080p. I'm sure there are pre-builts using stockpiled RAM that are similar $1000 price range. And if you buy used you can do even better. $300-400 might get you a 5060 or a 9060XT right now [2][3] but if…

There's not necessarily anything wrong with gaming at 1080p, but I shudder to recommend anyone use a 1080p display for productivity. I feel like 27" 1440p is a good minimum experience. I also think that you're doing yourself a disservice going with an 8GB gpu in 2026, even for 1080p

Happy 1080p poweruser and gamer here.

I get to spend less and still play any game at max, and I can actually run 2 instances of some heavy games for local coop using Nucleus (Nightreign specifically).

I use Niri as my desktop environment on linux, zero need for 4k. My screen is 27'' since 8 years ago when i bought it

Re: 32GB of DDR5 now costs $375 – AI shortage continues to squeeze PC building

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> pc gaming being a 'prosumer' hobby, As much as I hate to say it, the move at this point is GeForce Now, at least for the time being... I just subscribed to the 200 USD/year Ultimate plan with a free 007 game. My ping to the datacenter is a mere 5ms, with 5080, RTX, 4k@60Hz (which my projector can drive) I am getting way more performance and similar latency than I would if I were using my own, semi-affordable rig or…

It is the move if you want to be Jensen's little bitch, and want to fuck gaming and computer ownership for everyone, forever.

Sorry buddy, I am not gonna singlehandedly spend 5k on a similar rig just to fight a fight I can't win. This happened to a lot of fields in IT and it's inevitably happening to gaming, too.

Also, gaming does not equal computer ownership. Majority of gamers use consoles, anyway. Gaming PCs are niche nowadays.

Re: 32GB of DDR5 now costs $375 – AI shortage continues to squeeze PC building

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Yeah I've got a few years on you... I was running Linux on my 386 in college in '93. And within a year or so I had upgraded it to 486DX3 and had a DEC Alpha alongside it also running Linux, with the two connected by ethernet. I haven't bought a discrete graphics card since those days and it was an XGA compatible 2D accelerator. Every 3D card I've used has been in a work machine. At home, I've always used iGPU solutio…

> I haven't bought a discrete graphics card since those days and it was an XGA compatible 2D accelerator. I've never had a PC that didn't have a discrete graphics card. But I'm a gamer, so a discrete graphics card is basically a necessity unless I stick with 10+ year old games and 2D games.

Hah, yes, I have stuck to relatively classic 2.5D and 3D games that work on current iGPUs. It's nearly a nostalgia thing since I met Doom in college.

I struggle with the gaming hardware ROI, when I see how things become obsolete. E.g. my work bought me a Titan-X in 2015 for numerical/image processing work. Ten years later my Ryzen 7840u had nearly the same GFLOPs, though of course with less memory bandwidth. It also does it with vastly less heat/noise.

I know I would enjoy immersive VR. But I don't hink I would use it often enough to justify all that dedicated gear and the computer strong enough to drive it.

Re: 32GB of DDR5 now costs $375 – AI shortage continues to squeeze PC building

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> I haven't bought a discrete graphics card since those days and it was an XGA compatible 2D accelerator. I've never had a PC that didn't have a discrete graphics card. But I'm a gamer, so a discrete graphics card is basically a necessity unless I stick with 10+ year old games and 2D games.

Hah, yes, I have stuck to relatively classic 2.5D and 3D games that work on current iGPUs. It's nearly a nostalgia thing since I met Doom in college. I struggle with the gaming hardware ROI, when I see how things become obsolete. E.g. my work bought me a Titan-X in 2015 for numerical/image processing work. Ten years later my Ryzen 7840u had nearly the same GFLOPs, though of course with less memory bandwidth. It also…

> I struggle with the gaming hardware ROI, when I see how things become obsolete. E.g. my work bought me a Titan-X in 2015 for numerical/image processing work. Ten years later my Ryzen 7840u had nearly the same GFLOPs,

10 years is an eternity in computer hardware. The idea that you should be able to get 7+ years from your hardware is a more recent thing. Imagine comparing the 2.8 Ghz Pentium 4 you could get in 2002 with the 66 Mhz 486 that was state-of-the-art in 1993.

It used to be that processor speeds were literally doubling every ~18 months. The computer you bought to run Windows 95 would have choked on Windows XP 6 years later.

Hardware ROI has gotten better in terms of how long you can use a system. Just look at how many people on HN talk about using 10 year old hardware for both productivity and gaming. I've got a 5090, sure, but that's mainly because of wanting to play MS Flight Simulator 2024 and Cyberpunk 2077 with all the details cranked in 4K at 240 fps, and wanting enough VRAM to do local models. If I was okay with lower detail settings in 1080p at 60 fps, I could get by with even a 9 year old 1080 Ti.

Meanwhile, imagine trying to use a computer from 1992 in 2001 as Windows XP is dropping.

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> I know I would enjoy immersive VR. But I don't hink I would use it often enough to justify all that dedicated gear and the computer strong enough to drive it.

It takes surprisingly little to enjoy VR. I think most games are written for the Quest 3 which isn't all that powerful, and then ported to PC with the same graphical fidelity. When I first got a VR headset, I was on a GTX 1070 and it played Beat Saber at the 90 fps that my headset did just fine.

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They do, it’s called CXMT and they are making RAM under contract for Corsair

Commerce Secretary Howard Lutnick has warned Samsung and SK Hynix they could face 100% tariffs, framing it as a choice between paying a 100% tariff or building memory fabs in America... Punishing instead of supporting.

I am sure China will not mind slapping on a 100% Trump Tariff to satisfy Howard Lutnick.
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