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Post by Saris »

LandenLove wrote: post #318

Despite using Firefox, I keep chrome installed in case there is a website that requires it. I have recently started receiving Windows 11 notifications from Chrome, advertising their new AI features. This happens one two different devices. I haven't launch chrome on either of them for some time. It is maddening how much they are pushing this useless and inaccurate garbage on us.

Ungoogled Chromium is what I keep installed for that reason. There if I need it as a browser, but otherwise does absolutely nothing else.

Re: Gmail thinks I'm stupid, so I left

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Post by tren »

cadamsdotcom wrote: post #327

Looking for your alternative? Let me give you some (non financially motivated) praise for Fastmail. It has everything Gmail has - even app passwords, hide my email, and ios integration. The only criticism is the calendar doesn’t autocomplete addresses so that’s a bit more typing than I would like. But everything you do in Fastmail is instant . They live up to the name! Once you try it and go back, you’ll be shocked -…

I agree, it's one of my best value subscriptions. It's especially good if you host a lot of domains, you can link 100 custom domains to a single Fastmail account.

Re: Gmail thinks I'm stupid, so I left

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Post by minitech »

goodmythical wrote: post #397
why_at wrote: post #151

I can appreciate LLMs for some use cases, but writing emails for the user is the one that really baffles me. It's one thing if you don't speak English well and could use some help making yourself understood, but the amount of native speakers using this is so strange to me. How does this help you? If you can write to the LLM telling it what kind of email to write, you might as well just write the email.

I think you might be suffering from a little bit of bias concerning your own comfort with written english with regard to the general population's comfort with written english. I had a high school teacher (algebra II), my favorite coincidentally, who was actually functionally illiterate. He knew some words, and had a solid understanding of the alphabet, but ask him to parse a sentence or god forbid an essay, and he wa…

This comment is confusing to me on so many levels. What’s with the tangent(?) about a math test your algebra teacher could have generated? Did you bring up an illiterate teacher (extreme outlier) as evidence that the general population has low comfort with written English, or…? (I’m going to resist getting into the rest of the tangent, but it’s really impressively densely perplexing.)

(edit: I’m not going to resist)

> If he could have written (in 2009) "give 20 question test for week 1 algebra II student with answer guide"

Is the “could” here just about AI not existing back then, or does “could not interact with the written language” imply that he could not have written this prompt? Why would he need the output, given that most of it is math? (If we assume he can speech-to-text the prompt, why can’t he do the same for other writing?) If the level of writing of “Write equation of a line in slope-intercept form with slope 3 and y-intercept −2” is the challenge, is he able to read it? What if the output is wrong – who’s going to verify it? Are you presenting this as a good thing? How did/would he grade handwritten written-answer questions?

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Post by bhandziuk »

loloquwowndueo wrote: post #367
Slow_Hand wrote: post #361

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Does it automatically filter my email into tabs for primary, promotions, social, and updates? Cause that is the single most useful feature offered by Gmail that I have yet to find elsewhere. I'm not talking about manually tagging, setting up, and filtering all incoming email before my inbox can self-organize. I mean automatically. Only show me the true primary items in my inbox from the jump. Everything else can wait…

Mash that unsubscribe button my dude.

This has been my strategy. I've had location history turned off since they introduced the tabbed inbox because for some reason the only way to turn off the tabs was to never save my location history. Not sure how those features got co-mingled but...One inbox feels much nicer. I don't get a ton of email though.

Re: Gmail thinks I'm stupid, so I left

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Post by al_borland »

goodmythical wrote: post #397
why_at wrote: post #151

I can appreciate LLMs for some use cases, but writing emails for the user is the one that really baffles me. It's one thing if you don't speak English well and could use some help making yourself understood, but the amount of native speakers using this is so strange to me. How does this help you? If you can write to the LLM telling it what kind of email to write, you might as well just write the email.

I think you might be suffering from a little bit of bias concerning your own comfort with written english with regard to the general population's comfort with written english. I had a high school teacher (algebra II), my favorite coincidentally, who was actually functionally illiterate. He knew some words, and had a solid understanding of the alphabet, but ask him to parse a sentence or god forbid an essay, and he wa…

People won’t get better if they don’t use it. These LLMs are a crutch that will not just not people from getting better, but any skills they do have will atrophy without use.

How can anyone even write a proper prompt, or understand if the answer is correct, without being literate? I’ve been noticing on YouTube where people are delivering scripts that are clearly AI written. It makes me question if they are able to read something, understand it, and put it in their own words. This seems like a fundamental skill any adult should have, especially if they are trying to make a living giving advice to others, as was the case with these videos.

I’d also think literacy should be a basic requirement for a teacher, regardless of the subject. If we don’t hold that standard for our teachers, how can we expect it of our students? Continuously lowering standards is not helping anyone in the long run. It hurts the individual and society as a whole.

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Post by al_borland »

jrowen wrote: post #239
why_at wrote: post #151

I can appreciate LLMs for some use cases, but writing emails for the user is the one that really baffles me. It's one thing if you don't speak English well and could use some help making yourself understood, but the amount of native speakers using this is so strange to me. How does this help you? If you can write to the LLM telling it what kind of email to write, you might as well just write the email.

It's insecurity. They worry they might be saying something dumb and the LLM gives them assurance that it sounds "better" and "more professional."

It’s a false assurance. LLMs say dumb things all the time.

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Post by platevoltage »

xp84 wrote: post #67
platevoltage wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I hear you on this. All I hear is how behind Apple is with AI. More and more I'm feeling like thats a feature not a bug.

Let's not pretend that fact is anything but a happy accident, though. The only reason AI has been practically scrubbed from their website is to try to make us forget the time they preannounced fantastically brilliant AI capabilities and then delivered less than nothing -- not even fixing Siri, which is the obvious #1 product in the world that needs to be rebuilt on LLMs.

The Newton failing wasn't a happy accident either. They waited until the right opportunity to try again after the dust settled in the industry.

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Post by zerd »

AdieuToLogic wrote: post #382
Slow_Hand wrote: post #361

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Does it automatically filter my email into tabs for primary, promotions, social, and updates? Cause that is the single most useful feature offered by Gmail that I have yet to find elsewhere. I'm not talking about manually tagging, setting up, and filtering all incoming email before my inbox can self-organize. I mean automatically. Only show me the true primary items in my inbox from the jump. Everything else can wait…

> Does it automatically filter my email into tabs for primary, promotions, social, and updates? This is where email MUAs[0] shine. Mail user agents such as Thunderbird[1], KMail[2], Apple Mail[3], and nmh[4] (for hard-core Unix command-line aficionados) support filtering and automatic categorization to varying degrees. All while being mail service agnostic. 0 - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Email_client 1 - https://e…

Thunderbird does not seem to have auto-categorization from what I see, just filtering. Neither does KMail. Unless you’re referring to some addons? For apple mail you have to add it on each client. And a lot of comments are about how to disable it because it categorizes wrong.

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Post by Guestmodinfo »

Is Fast Mail having human support? Suppose I forget my password or suppose fastmail somehow bans my account then is there a readily available human on the other end whom I can message or talk to. Recently on HN someone posted about a school which lost its 10 years of Google apps data and account with no possible recourse.
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