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My frustration is with services like Uber, Bolt, Airbnb, etc. where you need the push for core services and then the provides use them to slip in spam.
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We must, at some point surely , reach an inflection where even everyday people are sick of this shit and start smashing their phones right? There has always been "unpluggers" [0] amongst technologists, but the vibes are bad and getting worse. I feel like that is getting more common between "normal" people I know, but maybe outside of my country town bubble its not happening. I was thinking we're only one or two big i…
> We must, at some point surely, reach an inflection where even everyday people are sick of this shit and start smashing their phones right? Never underestimate the ignorance of the average person… I am talking about those people who consume content while ads blink around the content in a all four directions and they don‘t even actively notice.
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It needs to be enforced by the OS or by law. Like how you get transactional emails without getting marketing spam. I want the same for notifications.
> It needs to be enforced by the OS or by law. Like how you get transactional emails without getting marketing spam. What glorious universe do you live in where email is respected enough to have transactions separate from marketing, and that this is not only required by law but also enforced?
In the past, yeah. But today? Never.
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Apps can know whether you granted permission?? That sounds like a security flaw.
This is basically required for clueless (and even not so clueless) users. If there's a chat app I installed 3 years ago, with no intention of giving it camera access, and I suddenly need to use that app for a video call, I don't want to be stuck debugging broken camera issues for two hours. I'd much rather have the app tell me that it doesn't have camera access.
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It's a consequence of having platforms instead of protocols. Suppose you want delivery notifications for your packages. The seller, by contrast, wants to spam you with marketing. If getting the notifications requires you to install their app, they're going to shovel any spam into it that they can, and then they're writing the code that runs on your device. Whereas if the software on your device is controlled by you a…
Unless the task is extremely well defined, protocols don't really work. Imagine you're a shipping company and lock yourself into a parcel tracking protocol. You then decide to offer the innovative feature of parcel lockers, which need a code (or an action on your device) to open. How are you going to make the thousands of weird homebrew clients that people are using on their jailbroken Nintendo Switches or whatever t…
The service doesn't have to maintain every implementation, they just have to document a stable API and not actively impede third party code.
Google/Outlook/etc intervening with email was a good thing and saved email with spam filtering and content ranking. Mobile Carriers have not effectively intervened with phone screening and voice calls are practically dead. Intervening with push notifs could be a good thing. Notifs are approaching the point of uselessness. I turn all off by default now.
What’s fun is all that “intervening” infrastructure they’ve introduced also doubles up as a big surveillance network.
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It needs to be enforced by the OS or by law. Like how you get transactional emails without getting marketing spam. I want the same for notifications.
> It needs to be enforced by the OS or by law. Like how you get transactional emails without getting marketing spam. What glorious universe do you live in where email is respected enough to have transactions separate from marketing, and that this is not only required by law but also enforced?
(I decided to look it up, here's the UK rules: https://ico.org.uk/for-organisations/direct-marketing-and-pr... . It looks like it is allowed to be opt-out if you buy something from them, which I do dislike, but there are rules and the ICO does have teeth)
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> It needs to be enforced by the OS or by law. Like how you get transactional emails without getting marketing spam. What glorious universe do you live in where email is respected enough to have transactions separate from marketing, and that this is not only required by law but also enforced?
Not sure about your experience, I’ve almost never encountered a marketing email that didn’t have an unsubscribe link, as is mandated by law in some countries. So I’m not really sure what you’re talking about. In the past, yeah. But today? Never.
Have you encountered a "marketing email" that you didn't sign up for? That's called phishing.
Have you clicked on links in phishing emails? That's called getting pwned.
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Not sure about your experience, I’ve almost never encountered a marketing email that didn’t have an unsubscribe link, as is mandated by law in some countries. So I’m not really sure what you’re talking about. In the past, yeah. But today? Never.
> I’ve almost never encountered a marketing email that didn’t have an unsubscribe link Have you encountered a "marketing email" that you didn't sign up for? That's called phishing. Have you clicked on links in phishing emails? That's called getting pwned.
When I was young, the household would receive a bunch of physical catalogs from shops in or near my hometown. We would all sit around the coffee table going through them and looking for good deals.
If all these catalogs had a build-in tracker so that the sender could magically measure how long the catalog was in the mailbox, if it was read before ending up in the trash, how many people in the household saw the catalog, how many pages were seen and so on... we would all have freaked out and burned the catalogs up at once!
But now that kind of surveillance is just normal. Sad.