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Shunning AI is the human choice

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Re: Shunning AI is the human choice

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Post by joquarky »

afavour wrote: post #108
BosunoB wrote: post #93

Counterpoint: Work sucks. Of the billions of workers on the planet, the number of them who love their job and would truly be doing it even if they didn't need to in order to survive is probably in the low single digits. Hating work is good, wanting it to all be automated is good. It is a pro-human flourishing stance, whereas keeping the majority of humanity laboring in jobs they dislike just to survive is against hum…

> Hating work is good, wanting it to all be automated is good. Not without a concrete answer for how we all continue to survive and thrive when our jobs are replaced. And that's the part the AI boosters are silent on, beyond vague notions of UBI.

UBI is not a solution either, as it will inevitably fall into the same traps and favoritism as tax laws.

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Post by satvikpendem »

AnimalMuppet wrote: post #357
KptMarchewa wrote: post #251

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Comparing it to Juicero is also thought terminating.

No. You're not thinking it through well enough. The technology involved in Juicero (or Pets.com, or many others) didn't go away. We could rebuild them any time we wanted to. Those things went away because they weren't able to make enough money to be an ongoing business. Will AI? That is at least an open question at this point. (I mean, in fairness, Amazon's was an open question for many years too.) The tech isn't goi…

Juicero wasn't useful therefore it went away. Generative AI is useful therefore it won't go away, just like how fire is kMy old yet it's still here to stay.

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Post by duchef »

SubmarineClub wrote: post #152
splittydev wrote: post #2

These people are going to have a really hard time coming to grips with reality in the next few years. AI is here to stay, and it's expanding very rapidly. If you can't fight them, join them.

Doubt. How much money has been pumped into these products, to produce slightly coding tools? Despite what the AI boosters keep screaming, these tools are absolute shit at anything outside programming. I highly doubt they will stick around outside of tech companies once prices rise to the true costs.

I think this is a fair point. I'm not a programmer but I'm a well paid professional with a technical background and the means to dive in.

I cannot find a single significant use in my working or personal life for AI (I have infrequently used it to look up information - for example, providing me with plumbing advice).

I've looked into products like OpenClaw etc. I'm desperate for a significant personal use for this technology - but I just can't find one. It's incongruent with the constant public proselytizing I see online

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Post by jononor »

senderista wrote: post #382
palmotea wrote: post #266

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> I don’t think it’s only that. I personally hate AI not because of CEOs and co, but because the tech is intrinsically born out of theft, and is still, to this day, evolving thanks to theft. And that’s even before the ecological considerations. I also hate it because: 1) Fundamentally, it's about reducing the power of labor (which are what the vast majority of people are) and I know I'm a laborer. This is why the CEO…

What new technology does not reduce the power of labor in some way?

Communication tech/tools enable more people to collaborate. It increases ability for labor that is far away from high value markets to contribute. Same goes for shipping tech wrt physical goods. On the global scale that is empowering the labor class. Any productivity tool that individual laborers can purchase also (and that still needs the worker) is probably good for labor, overall.

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Post by vitality6637 »

splittydev wrote: post #2

These people are going to have a really hard time coming to grips with reality in the next few years. AI is here to stay, and it's expanding very rapidly. If you can't fight them, join them.

"These people are going to have a really hard time coming to grips with reality in the next few years. Slavery is here to stay, and it's expanding very rapidly. If you can't fight them, join them."

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Post by satvikpendem »

logicchains wrote: post #83
mrbungie wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

AI as a tech is fine. But disliking it and the social/economic effects around it is fine too, people should be allowed to feel however they want to feel about certain techs and situations. To recommend people to suck it up is not the answer I wish in the society I want to live in.

>people should be allowed to feel however they want to feel about certain techs and situations. All the white collar workers whining about AI didn't give a damn about the tens of millions of factory workers who lost their jobs to automation. Society doesn't owe them any more sympathy than they gave to the workers whose jobs they automated away.

Agreed, remember the learn to code moment? It's so funny to see people become hypocritical overnight when it affects their economic livelihood.

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Post by potsandpans »

mrbungie wrote: post #9
splittydev wrote: post #2

These people are going to have a really hard time coming to grips with reality in the next few years. AI is here to stay, and it's expanding very rapidly. If you can't fight them, join them.

AI as a tech is fine. But disliking it and the social/economic effects around it is fine too, people should be allowed to feel however they want to feel about certain techs and situations. To recommend people to suck it up is not the answer I wish in the society I want to live in.

I don't want to live in a society where privacy is a second class citizen, yet the prevailing sentiment seems to be "suck it up, we have to protect the children."

There are plenty of things not to like about society. What's funny about AI is that the inequality it brings is proportionally affecting white people, and thats got a lot of people discovering with great consternation that the world isn't fair.

This is the world now.

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Post by jesse_dot_id »

otabdeveloper4 wrote: post #352
jesse_dot_id wrote: post #222

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I've been on the free information train my entire life, back to my little hacker punk days in the 90's, so my opinion on that isn't worth much. I do think that the ecological considerations are also entirely the fault of the aforementioned CEOs. Machine learning research has been ongoing in good faith since the 40's. Blaming the technology is kind of silly. Imagine if we had banned trains because the robber barons we…

> is going to drive some incredible discoveries in all of STEM No it won't. Natural language manipulation is never a bottleneck in STEM.

I do not understand how you can believe that and I'm not really keen on trying to.

Re: Shunning AI is the human choice

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Post by kimetime »

I'm not really shunning, I've gone from very high on AI to mostly exhausted with it. I wish we could skip ahead ~5 years to it being another tool in the tool belt and lessons learned about where it's good and bad. Right now everything is so same-y. Barely any oxygen for other technologies to get funding and attention, large fraction of what I read on socials is in claude's or chatgpt's voice.

... and maybe I'm wrong and get economically obsoleted. but eschatology is like catnip for every generation and I think there's a big component of that

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Post by mrspuratic »

dist-epoch wrote: post #25
splittydev wrote: post #2

These people are going to have a really hard time coming to grips with reality in the next few years. AI is here to stay, and it's expanding very rapidly. If you can't fight them, join them.

Everybody will. You will not be spared. If you think you are a senior prompt whisperer and that will save you, that is going away in a year too.

Not as long as there's money to be made schilling and selling "qualifications" in prompt engineering.
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