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Re: Where Are the Vibecoded Photoshops?

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Post by theshrike79 »

lionkor wrote: post #387
pu_pe wrote: post #271

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> And most importantly, you don't care at all if the tool you vibe-coded is any good. If you write at tool that converts an image to black & white, you are the kind of person who doesn't know or care what KIND of black&white it is. The fact that there are many algorithms to choose from would never cross your mind. Why do you believe that? What if I care so much about black and white and need a specific algorithm, isn…

... because there are open source tools that implement these things properly? Take Darktable, if you try to build an alternative because you "just want to do a bit of color grading" you will produce garbage. My point is that AI bros are forgetting that the LLM is only as good as the person using it. If you don't sufficiently understand the problem you're solving, your solution will be terrible. If you believe that AI…

But what if I _only_ need to convert images to black and white, why would I install a full ass Darktable setup for that?

Re: Where Are the Vibecoded Photoshops?

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Post by theshrike79 »

Gigachad wrote: post #200
InsideOutSanta wrote: post #127

"If vibecoding is what people say it is, the world should be drowning in vibecoded artifacts right now" It is. Look at GitHub repos. Look at the r/selfhosting subreddit. Look at the r/macapps subreddit. That doesn't mean people are "vibecoding Photoshop." Maybe LLMs will eventually be good enough that you can make a Photoshop without ever looking at any of the code, but they aren't right now. "And the accusers never…

Yes, we are drowning in slop, while also still paying for all the same tools we did pre AI because the vibeslop doesn't cut it.

We are drowning in slop because people (usually Americans) want to make everything into a damn community or product.

Vibe all you want, use it for yourself. Not every brain fart program has to be a "startup" you are the "CEO" of.

Re: Where Are the Vibecoded Photoshops?

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Post by theshrike79 »

sieiw wrote: post #10
fugaziboutit wrote: post #6

I think it was in these forums where I first read that you can gauge AI progress by the velocity at which people move the goalposts.

Right. So how long do we have to wait? The reality is the actual output doesn’t match the hype at all. Software engineers should be getting laid off all over the place, there should be a decrease in hiring period. This is not what’s happening.

I've personally recreated two applications with 100% vibe engineering, now I'm saving about 100€/year - forever.

Dunno if the companies whose product subscriptions I've cancelled will fire people because of it though. Maybe eventually?

Re: Where Are the Vibecoded Photoshops?

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Post by theshrike79 »

carlosjobim wrote: post #191
Hard_Space wrote: post #112

I need Photoshop for an almost vanishingly small subset of all the things it is capable of, and this holds true for nearly all 'full-fledged' software that I use. So what may not be surfacing, in the absence of vibe-coded Photoshops, is the growing local script collections of many users. Since I have had AI to knock up Python scripts and workflows incorporating local ImageMagick and FFMPEG, I have devolved a lot of t…

There are no downsides for the customer if the software is much more capable than what the user needs. So there's not much of a business case for offering software with less features.

Price?

Why would I pay 10€/month to Adobe so that I can stitch two images together in a specific way?

It took me maybe 2€ worth of credits to make a fully self-contained web page that does that.

Re: Where Are the Vibecoded Photoshops?

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Post by hgoel »

zardo wrote: post #355
hgoel wrote: post #348

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It's really funny to be declaring the idea of 3d printers being ubiquitous as dead because they weren't a smartphone scale change in how the world works, while pretending that 3d printers aren't more common and accessible than ever.

Yeah, a better comparison than the smartphone would be something like a table saw. You don't assume everyone has one, but it's not very unusual to have one in the garage.

Yeah that's a great comparison.

Re: Where Are the Vibecoded Photoshops?

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Post by altmanaltman »

ben_w wrote: post #142
decimalenough wrote: post #62

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That's only half the author's point. The other half is that the "gate is where it always was" (= the part that's not just grinding out code to spec), and the fact that you can't vibecode a Photoshop doesn't mean AI is useless.

Indeed. But: > the fact that you can't vibecode a Photoshop doesn't mean AI is useless. I don't even think this "can't" is even a fact at this point. 24 years ago, my first major academic project, I wrote myself an image editor. In Visual Basic, because the teacher required it, and without version control because I hadn't heard of that when I was 18. It wasn't Photoshop, more like PaintShop Pro without the plugin sup…

Most vibecoders say their stack is "cursor". Reread your comment and then try to guess if a vibecoder could even understand what you talked about let alone execute it in a pefect and reliable manner. Vibecoding is about dopamine hits, people give up if it doesn't work on first 2-3 attempts.

Re: Where Are the Vibecoded Photoshops?

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Post by theshrike79 »

ponector wrote: post #216
falcor84 wrote: post #126

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Where is the "cannot" coming from? The only underlying rule that I see is: the more complex a task is, the lower the probability of success. That's it. And it's the same exact rule that applies to humans. The difference though is that we're seeing an exponential growth in AI capabilities, which are then rapidly disseminated on a scale of months, and we don't see such capability increases in humans. As I see it, anyon…

Where is the "can" coming from? We've seen failed attempts to persuade LLMs to crated a browser, a compiler.

"A browser" is complex AND complicated. Billion dollar companies build those for a reason.

It's like saying nobody should build a car from scratch because they'll never win the F1 championship :D

Re: Where Are the Vibecoded Photoshops?

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Post by basisword »

datsci_est_2015 wrote: post #360
basisword wrote: post #356

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>> The overwhelming majority of the population doesn’t even know what a tool or script is. They don't need to know what it is. "Hey ChatGPT I have to check this report daily and update a spreadsheet with the latest changes, can you do it for me?"

Can you come up with a better example? I ask ChatGPT your question verbatim: > Hey ChatGPT I have to check this report daily and update a spreadsheet with the latest changes, can you do it for me? And it recommends: - process automation using a script (I don’t know what that is) - parse the report (what’s parsing?) - update the spreadsheet automatically (cool, how?) - highlight differences (no I want it done automati…

Try not taking things so literally. Here's a better example: - Company has a Cursor project you can download and open in Cursor. - It's connected to all of the companies internal data sources. - Now business people (who would have previously had to make requests to the BI team) can query the databases in natural language. - They can tell Cursor to export the data as a CSV and they can open in their Spreadsheet tool. - They need that report every day. They can tell Cursor and it can suggest the best automated way to do that. Once they ok it, Cursor can write a script and run it daily. The csv file shows up in the persons Downloads folder every morning.

Aside from this, I've seen people with no coding background creating Chrome extensions to help them with things. I've seen them making little React Native apps without knowing what React Native is.

Re: Where Are the Vibecoded Photoshops?

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Post by anticorporate »

alwillis wrote: post #154
anticorporate wrote: post #91

That's a bit like asking "Where are the vibecoded AWSs?" or "Where are the vibe coded Office 365s?" Can I vibe code an image editor? Sure! I have, actually, just more as a curiosity. I got as far as a simple Canva replacement, and if that's what you need, maybe the question isn't can you vibe code Photoshop but rather can you vibe code Canva. Photoshop is part of a gigantic ecosystem of tools, formats, and plugins th…

If I wanted to vibe code something like Photoshop, I would start with the source code for version 1.0 [1]. It’s written mostly in very readable Pascal with some 68000 assembly. For those not familiar (or not old as me), Pascal was popular in 80s. The syntax is clean and is strongly typed, which I understand LLMs like. LLMs are good at converting programming languages; it probably wouldn’t be that difficult to convert…

Thanks for linking this. My first "serious" program was an image editor I wrote in Turbo Pascal (and a little x86 assembly) in my high school computer science class. Of course, it was supposed to be an image editor for the game I was sure I was going to write for my final class project, but nobody was teaching kids how to realistically scope things.
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