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Removing the modem and GPS from my 2024 RAV4 hybrid

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Re: Removing the modem and GPS from my 2024 RAV4 hybrid

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Post by natch »

cheema33 wrote: post #145
bdamm wrote: post #134

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Some brands take software very seriously. This isn't an "entire industry" problem. My experience is pretty small; I've owned the same Tesla Model 3 LR for the last 6.5 years, and the software has been pretty much solid the entire time. There was briefly a problem with echos when I called land lines using the bluetooth and my iPhone, but that problem eventually went away - not clear if it was because the iPhone change…

As a fellow Tesla Model 3 LR owner, I can confirm that this has been my experience as well. I bought mine in 2008. So nearly 8 years old and still going strong.

You mean in 2018 maybe?

Re: Removing the modem and GPS from my 2024 RAV4 hybrid

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Post by dreamcompiler »

NewsaHackO wrote: post #156
bdamm wrote: post #134

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Some brands take software very seriously. This isn't an "entire industry" problem. My experience is pretty small; I've owned the same Tesla Model 3 LR for the last 6.5 years, and the software has been pretty much solid the entire time. There was briefly a problem with echos when I called land lines using the bluetooth and my iPhone, but that problem eventually went away - not clear if it was because the iPhone change…

Yeah, this is similar to what I hear about Tesla's everywhere. While some members of the company leadership can be polarizing, the product itself seems very solid. Have been saving up for my first "good" car since starting my end-career job, really want to get a Tesla, but wish there was a hybrid option due to charger anxiety. Otherwise, would get one already.

> charger anxiety

I've done many USA cross-country trips in a Tesla. Chargers are a non-issue if you stick to interstate highways. I often don't, which means I have to do some advance planning. I find that fun. Others might not.

But if I were in the market for an EV today I wouldn't buy a Tesla. It's a great car but until the Musk family is no longer part of the company I won't buy another one or recommend them to others.

Re: Removing the modem and GPS from my 2024 RAV4 hybrid

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Post by mothballed »

PaulDavisThe1st wrote: post #396
mothballed wrote: post #390

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Thank god you mentioned that. You foiled my diabolical plan of introducing slavery as utopia, as clearly imposing slavery is a way to shrink government intervention. No mention of early USA is complete without damning any experiences drawn on it because muh racism/sexism . Nevermind that whittling down to even that point took a war with Britain, which was relatively more free than before when yet still slavery and In…

Thank god you responded. You have effectively disarmed my diabolical plan of refuting the idea that early American history was some sort of libertarian paradise, by pointing out that I have used the old canard of slavery as if it, by itself, could invalidate the many good things that came from the early, limited form of government. I have no option other than to lay down my intellectual tools before you and declare y…

I would say relatively true of the southern colonies. New England, slavery import was banned rapidly, slavery itself banned fairly early (some states almost immediately) and it was arguably never a load bearing pillar. Virginia in particular and the southern colonies only avoided starvation by stumbling on tobacco.

I'd also note slavery was also influenced by how land distribution happened in the colonial era. Lands dispersed under more feudal models lent themselves more to slavery and indentured servitude. Lands that for various reasons that were rapidly sold were more likely to end in the hands of small holders without slaves or fewer slaves.

Re: Removing the modem and GPS from my 2024 RAV4 hybrid

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Post by davchana »

rdiddly wrote: post #187
razakel wrote: post #182

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"Legal tender" only means it must be accepted to settle a debt.

Walking out of the store with groceries generates a debt, no?

No, eating food & then paying is a debt. After the services have been rendered. If seller can pull back the items, never provided the service, no debt.

Re: Removing the modem and GPS from my 2024 RAV4 hybrid

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Post by hedora »

s3p wrote: post #133

I would like everyone to know that if you have a brand new Kia, the process is even easier. I spent $20 on the Kia service manual access (didn't even know that was a thing until I read OP's post) it finally figured it out. Modern Kias with the CCNC cockpit have a data connectivity unit that exclusively handles cellular. If you can get this unit unplugged, which only requires two Phillips head screws to remove, your s…

If you are considering purchasing a Kia, insist on getting a loaner or a 24 hour test drive.

The active driver assistance features are criminally dangerous.

Sadly, the current administration is more interested in illegally locking Kia’s engineers in cages than actually enforcing consumer protection or safety regulations.

Anyway, avoid them and Hyundai. If you don’t believe me, drive in rush hour for 30 minutes and frequently change lanes. Be sure to be on the road at dusk and dawn to get the full experience, where glare confuses the onboard cameras, so regen braking flaps on and off, and it repeatedly overrides steering and sets of spurious cabin alarms.

I’d suggest parking a few times at a costco during peak hours, but I don’t want to get anyone killed.

Re: Removing the modem and GPS from my 2024 RAV4 hybrid

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Post by King-Aaron »

kyleblarson wrote: post #397
embedding-shape wrote: post #43

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And once you've gotten rid of Google and Apple, your telecom company tracks you, your CC payments help track you and even cameras in public do. It's hard to not want to throw your hands in the air screaming "whatever" when almost everything you use in public is somehow used to track you either as you move around, or in the future.

1987 4runner, no phone, use cash.

I have heard whispers at times that people who operate 'off grid' like this end up being viewed heavily as persons of interest.

Anecdotally via friends in law enforcement.

Re: Removing the modem and GPS from my 2024 RAV4 hybrid

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Post by phire »

codezero wrote: post #389

Does anyone have any details on this claim? Important: Even after the modem is removed, if you connect your phone to the car via Bluetooth then the car will use your phone as an internet connection and send all the same telemetry data back to Toyota. However, if you use a wired USB connection then it does not do that (see the discussion here and elsewhere), so I exclusively use CarPlay via USB. I wish I had a way to…

Yeah, I'm a little suspicious about that claim.

Bluetooth tethering is a thing, actually predates wifi tethering. Though it's not enabled unless you enable Personal Hotspot in your phone settings (and Android requires it to be enabled separately).

CarPlay complicates things, as it only uses bluetooth to pair, then it switches to using a wifi network (as bluetooth doesn't have anywhere near enough bandwidth). Maybe Apple automatically shares internet over that carplay connection?

I have no doubt that the car will use the internet connection if one is exposed, I just doubt it will be exposed automatically.

Re: Removing the modem and GPS from my 2024 RAV4 hybrid

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Post by jazzyjackson »

embedding-shape wrote: post #43
nurple wrote: post #5

> Even after the modem is removed, if you connect your phone to the car via Bluetooth then the car will use your phone as an internet connection and send all the same telemetry data back to Toyota. However, if you use a wired USB connection then it does not do that (see the discussion here and elsewhere), so I exclusively use CarPlay via USB. The problem with this is that both carplay and android auto capture their o…

And once you've gotten rid of Google and Apple, your telecom company tracks you, your CC payments help track you and even cameras in public do. It's hard to not want to throw your hands in the air screaming "whatever" when almost everything you use in public is somehow used to track you either as you move around, or in the future.

I use a googleless flip phone and just don't do anything important on it, and leave it behind often. We didn't always carry tracking devices with us, you can choose not to.

You can also buy an older car that doesn't come with a SIM card installed.

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