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Bambu Lab is abusing the open source social contract

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Re: Bambu Lab is abusing the open source social contract

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Post by shrx »

dns_snek wrote: post #343
shrx wrote: post #335

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It can talk to the printer directly if you use "LAN mode". This also work with 3rd party slicers like OrcaSlicer.

This is false. After the authorization-related firmware changes last year LAN mode doesn't allow 3rd party slicers to connect. LAN mode is also abandonware with numerous issues and missing features that they've had no interest in fixing. Orca slicer has had to rely on hacky workarounds in Bambu's buggy networking plugin just to be able to connect to printers in a different subnet. https://github.com/bambulab/BambuStu…

> This is false. After the authorization-related firmware changes last year LAN mode doesn't allow 3rd party slicers to connect.

I can connect to my P2S in LAN mode with OrcaSlicer just fine (currently using the latest 2.4.0 nightly).

> be able to connect to printers in a different subnet

This is a separate issue, I think even Bambu Studio can't connect to printers in LAN mode on a different subnet.

Re: Bambu Lab is abusing the open source social contract

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Post by shrx »

fc417fc802 wrote: post #375
shrx wrote: post #337

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Why do you feel entitled to use their cloud services with 3rd party applications?

Setting aside that you're putting words in the other party's mouth, you're clearly entitled to do exactly that when the product is sold as having various functionality that depends on the cloud service. If you tell me my new toaster can send a live video of my bagel to my phone then I am entitled to receive that functionality without being subject to your shitware.

That is literally what they said:

> I can no longer use OrcaSlicer to interact with my printers (e.g. sync filaments) and start prints remotely.

The remote interaction with the printer goes via their cloud.

> If you tell me my new toaster can send a live video of my bagel to my phone then I am entitled to receive that functionality without being subject to your shitware.

No you aren't. You might be able to use 3rd party clients, but this is never a given. BambuLab owns their cloud servers, they can choose which clients they will allow to use them.

Re: Bambu Lab is abusing the open source social contract

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Post by sleight42 »

cassianoleal wrote: post #53
kn100 wrote: post #30

Full disclosure: I've never owned a Bambu because I've never loved the idea of a "closed" ecosystem 3D printer, however I have used them, and am very familiar with the 3d printing space beyond Bambu. For anyone considering alternatives: You should know that almost all other 3D printers expect you to know a little more about how they actually work than Bambus. Bambus are as close as you can get to a "just works" type…

Prusa are pretty much plug and play these days, especially the Core One line-up. You're right that they're expensive but you get free human support 24x7, you get an open platform, lots of contributions to open source (even Bambu Studio is a fork of Prusa Slicer), and they pretty much go on forever. My Core One+ started its life as an original MK3 and went through each iteration of upgrades, and it works like new. I'm…

How do you upgrade a Mk3 to a Core One?

Re: Bambu Lab is abusing the open source social contract

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Post by swiftcoder »

moffkalast wrote: post #228
swiftcoder wrote: post #202

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> As long as they remain the lowest priced and the best, they can do whatever they want if you ask me Are they actually still the best on price/performance? There are now dozens of Bambu clones at lower prices, I'm wondering how much worse those are (for example, a printer like the Elegoo Centauri Carbon 2)?

Lower prices? I'm seeing the Carbon 2 priced 12% more than a P1S and 60% more than an A1. The base A1 goes for like 270€. I'm not sure if that's possible to undercut without losses if you sum up just the price of the hardware.

> I'm seeing the Carbon 2 priced 12% more than a P1S

Indeed, but if you add the AMS options to both, the P1S suddenly becomes a lot more expensive.

> The base A1 goes for like 270€

The A1 is in a different weight class, not being enclosed.

Re: Bambu Lab is abusing the open source social contract

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Post by roeles »

Panda4 wrote: post #68
kn100 wrote: post #30

Full disclosure: I've never owned a Bambu because I've never loved the idea of a "closed" ecosystem 3D printer, however I have used them, and am very familiar with the 3d printing space beyond Bambu. For anyone considering alternatives: You should know that almost all other 3D printers expect you to know a little more about how they actually work than Bambus. Bambus are as close as you can get to a "just works" type…

I have an Elegoo Centauri Carbon which is cheaper than Bambu Lab's and it has been plug and play so far. I have no experience with 3D Printing and I've been printing on it without any problems so far.

Any experiences printing ASA with it?

Re: Bambu Lab is abusing the open source social contract

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Post by lukasmalkmus »

I'm with Jeff here and I basically had the same journey: My X1C is still going strong, running in developer mode but I'm not gonna throw it out the window. I won't gonna buy another product from Bambu Lab, ever again, tho.

New product launches by them feel less exiting (I don't want/need laser engraving capabilities in my 3D printer) and I agree with other commenters that these days, there are good alternatives. Unfortunately I have to say that wasn't around the time I bought the printer. When you just wanted to print things without making 3D printing a hobby, their machines were a no-brainer!

But yeah, bye bye Bambu Lab.

Only thing that's more annoying than their blog posts trying to "set things straight" is the "we told you so" crowd.

Re: Bambu Lab is abusing the open source social contract

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Post by 21asdffdsa12 »

cassianoleal wrote: post #189
Jabdoa2 wrote: post #144

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You can insulate the chamber. That works fine. There is a vent on top which is open in case the printer needs lower temps. For everything else it will turn on the chamber fan. The parameters are tunable in the menu (or via G-Code).

Any tips on insulating the chamber?

Plexiglas + styroafoam?

Re: Bambu Lab is abusing the open source social contract

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Post by roeles »

There is a Bambu p1s on its way to me. I will exclusively print ASA and my impression was that the p1s has a good track record with ASA. My prints will be mounted in glider cockpits and require the UV resistance.

Money is a bit tight, so I decided against prusa as my first printer.

I am curious if anyone has good experiences with alternatives for the p1s with regards to ASA printing?

Re: Bambu Lab is abusing the open source social contract

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Post by 21asdffdsa12 »

supern0va wrote: post #373
Aurornis wrote: post #135

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I've been a Prusa defender for a long time, including when they added the break-off tab to enable custom firmware which caused a lot of upset. They're doing what it takes to be a business. I was glad when they moved to more injection molded parts instead of trying to 3D print their own parts. It was a cool idea at the start but the time for that was long past. My only slight objection is that you can tell they're try…

Josef clearly cares about being as open as possible, but has bumped up against the fact that companies like Bambu can just take their designs and extend them with things they don't share, and sell a product with more features and a lower price. Unfortunately, it seems like the fully open source business model doesn't work well when you can be undercut by extremely cheap labor from another country and a company that d…

That other country is the company- and it can subsidize the frontend which you call a company with money earned by other monopoly frontends.

Think of china less as a country and more as one huge Chaebol.

Re: Bambu Lab is abusing the open source social contract

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Post by dns_snek »

shrx wrote: post #401
dns_snek wrote: post #343

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is false. After the authorization-related firmware changes last year LAN mode doesn't allow 3rd party slicers to connect. LAN mode is also abandonware with numerous issues and missing features that they've had no interest in fixing. Orca slicer has had to rely on hacky workarounds in Bambu's buggy networking plugin just to be able to connect to printers in a different subnet. https://github.com/bambulab/BambuStu…

> This is false. After the authorization-related firmware changes last year LAN mode doesn't allow 3rd party slicers to connect. I can connect to my P2S in LAN mode with OrcaSlicer just fine (currently using the latest 2.4.0 nightly). > be able to connect to printers in a different subnet This is a separate issue, I think even Bambu Studio can't connect to printers in LAN mode on a different subnet.

> I can connect to my P2S in LAN mode with OrcaSlicer just fine (currently using the latest 2.4.0 nightly).

You either haven't updated the firmware or you also enabled "Developer mode" which has its own issues.

> This is a separate issue, I think even Bambu Studio can't connect to printers in LAN mode on a different subnet.

It's not a separate issue, it's a long-standing bug in their proprietary networking plugin that they refuse to fix. Orca slicer has implemented a hacky workaround so it actually works there.

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