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EU Parliamentary Research Service calls VPNs "a loophole that needs closing"

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Re: EU Parliamentary Research Service calls VPNs "a loophole that needs closing"

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Post by DiogenesKynikos »

kelnos wrote: post #295
bigstrat2003 wrote: post #237

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Wow it's pretty arrogant to tell someone how to spell their own country's name.

The name "Turkey" has been in the English language for many centuries. It's a bit of a tall order to suddenly demand that everyone start using a different name for the country. Imagine if England suddenly demanded that everyone call them Aengelande.

The government decided to do this because they're embarrassed that a bird has the same name as the country. Ironically, the bird is named after the country.

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Post by palata »

tdeck wrote: post #326
palata wrote: post #158

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> Currently you can often identify people, sure, but there's hassle involved You vastly underestimate the current state of surveillance capitalism. > You could also look at who is heavily lobbying for this, you'll find it is fascist tech oligarchs from the US. Go in the street, and ask a bunch of random people: "If there was a way to prevent kids from accessing stuff that is bad for them, and it had no downsides. Wou…

There are a lot of things that most people in the street want that aren't even on the road map to happening, so you have to ask yourself why this thing (which isn't hardly anyone's top motivating issue) is gaining traction.

> this thing (which isn't hardly anyone's top motivating issue)

Do you have kids growing up with social media?

My experience is that parents with kids growing up with social media generally care about whether or not social media are bad for their kids. And generally, parents try to give kids a smartphone and access to social media as late as possible, generally when "everybody else has it" and it feels like it becomes counter-productive to make an outlier out of your kid.

I wouldn't say nobody cares. If anything, I think most parents would care a lot more about limiting access to social media than about privacy. It's pretty obvious that nobody gives a shit about privacy.

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Post by mr_mitm »

jeroenhd wrote: post #381
mr_mitm wrote: post #107

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The german gov id supports that. They have a PKI and the id is a smart card with a cert and private key on it [0]. It lets you answer the question "are you over 18" with a zero knowledge proof. I guess it only proves you have in your possession a valid id AND know the PIN to it, but that should be fine. France apparently has this, too, according to the article. [0] https://www.personalausweisportal.de/Webs/PA/EN/gove…

This is the technology behind the digital wallet/age verification app. A challenge with these systems is that card readers that actually support this kind of thing are excessively rare and expensive for what they do, especially when used with desktops. My German isn't that great, but I can't find any sources that state that the German eID can use ZKPs directly. From what I can tell, it uses basic signatures, and the…

You can use your phone's NFC reader to read those cards. In combination with the app you can use it to authenticate against services that support it.

Looks like I was wrong and it's not actually ZKP, just regular PKI. What I meant was that no other details are disclosed.

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Post by lukan »

AnthonyMouse wrote: post #322
ZetsuBouKyo wrote: post #291

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I have an extreme slippery slope idea. If they want to protect children, shouldn't they sterilize everyone? Every child born, regardless of wealth will inevitably suffer injury, illness, and psychological setbacks. Therefore, the best way to protect them would be not allowing people to have children. By the way, not having children is also more eco-friendly, because an infinite series simply converges. I wonder if I’…

> By the way, not having children is also more eco-friendly, because an infinite series simply converges. This one isn't actually accurate. Younger people have longer time horizons (i.e. aren't expecting to be dead as soon) and are therefore more likely to support policies like electrifying transportation and generating power from lower CO2 sources, and policies get enacted when they have majority support, so causing…

In theory. In reality the number of young people concerned about climate change is high, but the number of those willing to then not take a airplane for a few days of vacation is pretty low in my experience.

So supporting policies, "that somebody should do something" sure, also my generation thinks like this and the older one. But supporting policies that also actually affect themself, different story.

Because there is also the effect of doomerism. If the world is doomed anyway, then I can at least enjoy my vacation while I am still alive.

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Post by mcv »

autoexec wrote: post #398
mcv wrote: post #342

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There are ways to do age verification without tying your identity to the content. A site could direct you through a proxy to the government's eID server with simply the request whether you're over 18. Because it's going through an anonymising proxy, the government has no idea what site you're visiting. You login to your eID, which confirms or denies that you're over 18. The porn site only knows what porn was watched…

> There are ways to do age verification without tying your identity to the content. That's wishful thinking. The site would log that they sent you to verify your ID with your IP and a timestamp. The proxy server would get your identity with your IP and timestamp. Those two can can be linked. The government would know exactly who you are while also knowing where you came from and when. Either the government would moni…

Obviously there needs to be a desire to set this up responsibly. A government that doesn't care about privacy at all can force whatever they want. But the EU care a lot about privacy. They're got strong data protection regulation. Having sensible barriers in place can protect them from overstepping. The proxy obviously needs to be independent.

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Post by ykonstant »

otabdeveloper4 wrote: post #53
reddalo wrote: post #28

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I agree, age verification on the web should 100% banned. Parents should learn how to be parents; the government shouldn't force companies to do parenting instead.

So you're implying alcohol and cigarettes should be sold to children? (Not to mention all the other consent age laws.) That said, VPN is a national security issue, children are only a pretext.

"So you're implying..."

No.

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Post by nxm »

mcv wrote: post #333
jesterson wrote: post #319

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Not remotely at full speed. This is not a law, and is not in any way being enforced. Bad ideas get proposed too often, but usually they get rejected. I expect the same will happen here, although we should absolutely remain vigilant. I do share your concern for policy moving in the direction of NK, but the EU isn't moving there nearly as fast as for example the US.

Are you serious? In the US, you don’t get fined or arrested for posting mean memes like in Germany

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Post by nxm »

antiford2049 wrote: post #312
rvnx wrote: post #146

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It's because it's not about the opinion of voters, but about existing political powers that want to retain their power. No matter what you (as population) say it will get implemented. If you don't, then they will put sanctions on Poland, withdraw financial partnerships, etc. Like with migrants, they are going to be sent there, even if Polish people vote against. No matter if you are in favor or against, raising the t…

I think you are confusing democracy with anarchy. There is tons of free speech in Europe, and it is the most democratic of all countries that are alternative. UK is still very democratic country. The generation of politicians from zero rate era had gotten carried away on certain topics (defence, immigration) and now we have to deal with this. they also have undermined public trust by acting the way they did in covid,…

Why is it insane? You get a police visit and fine for posting mean memes in Germany

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Post by cassianoleal »

LAC-Tech wrote: post #399
cassianoleal wrote: post #371

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> foreigners to tell us how we should write things in our own language. They did that? Where? I’m also assuming you’re from England, otherwise you’re also a foreigner speaking their language, and likely with considerable difference.

This is a genuinely dumb take and you should feel foolish for even thinking it. Incase you dont, consider the concept of telling an Austrian that German is a foreign language for them. If this concept confuses you, I can get wikipedia links.

Thank you for telling me how I should feel! I will take it to heart and next time I'm in any doubt over how I am feeling I'll ask myself "how would LAC-Tech expect me to feel right now?" and change my feelings accordingly.
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