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We need a federation of forges

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Re: We need a federation of forges

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I'm hesitant to build anything load-bearing on AT Protocol given its PQ exposure: https://words.filippo.io/crqc-timeline/

How does this impact AT Protocol? I’m just hearing about AT now, so I’m not familiar

DIDs are rooted in ECDSA keys (secp256k1). Each user identity is a non-PQ cryptographic commitment. These ecosystems must start migrating very soon because if CRQCs arrive before they're done, they face a choice between user compromise and bricking accounts.

Re: We need a federation of forges

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I saw Radicle posted yesterday and tried it out. Its pretty much exactly what is being asked for here. The main issue I see is its impossible to search through peoples projects you have to be linked to them from somewhere that isnt radicle explorer.

Re: We need a federation of forges

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I wonder how much this translates to places outside the US... Bluesky being the place for everything Center-left and left of it by US standards would just make it the place for mainstream opinion in much of the EU. Personally I found it much easier to avoid politics on Bluesky than on other platforms. Which is why it's been more sticky for me than Twitter was. And I put that down to having good feed control, and not…

It doesn't. I don't really believe this meme of the center-left and left in the US being the mainstream in the EU. It's true that certain attitudes around labor and economics are shared between the American left and more center left and center EU parties, but our stances on social issues are completely different. There's an entire fabric of multiculturalism that's present in the US that just isn't in the EU that has…

I mostly agree with you that the political landscapes are mostly extremely different, rather than just shifted. Incidentally, when I tried Twitter (pre take over) it was more the US centric activist left that drove me away.

(Edit: That said, in the previous comment I was primarily thinking about the fact that the Republican party now explicitly supports far right and populist parties in Europe that are firmly outside the mainstream.)

That said, it sounds like your problem is more that other stuff isn't there? I am an academic, I followed interesting people in my field, and I am mostly on the feed that just shows me stuff from people I follow (plus a few curated feeds). So I didn't try to actively block stuff, and I have enough content to spend ten minutes every other day on the site and find new and interesting things. So maybe it's the combination of the niche I am after and the fact that I don't want to spend too much time on social media anyway that makes bsky a good experience for me...

Re: We need a federation of forges

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It doesn't. I don't really believe this meme of the center-left and left in the US being the mainstream in the EU. It's true that certain attitudes around labor and economics are shared between the American left and more center left and center EU parties, but our stances on social issues are completely different. There's an entire fabric of multiculturalism that's present in the US that just isn't in the EU that has…

I mostly agree with you that the political landscapes are mostly extremely different, rather than just shifted. Incidentally, when I tried Twitter (pre take over) it was more the US centric activist left that drove me away. (Edit: That said, in the previous comment I was primarily thinking about the fact that the Republican party now explicitly supports far right and populist parties in Europe that are firmly outside…

Ah yeah if you're an academic it makes sense presuming your niche is there. I'm looking for a more general hobby site and sadly Twitter and Reddit are still that to me.

Re: We need a federation of forges

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How does that fix "when one node goes offline you may not have any upstream to pull from"? You'd still have your own local copy—just like git—but you wouldn't be able to access any sense of "upstream"

By hosting a knot. You may ask, well, that's like hosting forgejo or any other git server, where is the federation? Tangled uses a protocol. So knots would adhere to that protocol allowing to pull from any upstream. That's my understanding of federation. not saying tangled will go as far as figuring out discovery across their cloud hosted knots and self hosted infra. But that can be done, and claiming to be able to p…

Git adheres to the protocol which would allow you to pull from any upstream (that exists). Tangled does not change that.

Re: We need a federation of forges

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> Atproto isn’t “many servers sending messages to each other”. It’s structured more like RSS Except that, crucially, RSS/Atom plays well with static nodes (e.g. personal websites generated with Jekyll/Hugo/whatever—or even written by hand[1]), and Atproto does not. (Nor does Mastodon; previously: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30862612 >.) It'd be great if the complexities needed to support the "Atmosphere" wer…

Atom is pull, Atproto is push. Atom was designed for news, before social media existed, where 15+ minute polling times were (borderline) acceptable. Atproto was designed for social media, in an age of Twitter users getting their news in seconds, to the point of being able to comment on live events play-by-play. There's no coming back from that world. With that said, I wish both Mastodon and Atproto supported opt-in p…

> I wish both Mastodon and Atproto supported opt-in pull-based, static sources.

Bridgy web (brid.gy) does that somewhat. Converting static sites into site.standard atproto records and whatever the corresponding activitypub format is.

Re: We need a federation of forges

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Exactly. I'm personally slowly working on my own parallel "appview" of tangled that is accessible exclusively via SMTP, IMAP, JMAP, and eventually integration with a Lore + Patchwork frontend.

Oh that sounds very cool! Where can we follow your progress?

Oh I haven't uploaded anything yet but I'm around in the Tangled discord (and you can find me on bluesky/tangled with the handle onedeuxtriseigo.nullpo.dev).

I'll make a proper announcement when it's anywhere close to presentable or even functional and I imagine the tangled folks will amplify that when I do.

Re: We need a federation of forges

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post #286

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> who will be there to fix bugs and maintain it? Those of us who use it. Tangled is a neat project and architecturally it makes a lot of interesting choices but code-wise it's relatively simple and from my personal forays in it I'd say pretty easy to maintain. The majority of the codebase is loosely related go modules. Then some static HTML+CSS. And finally a small sprinkle of typescript to tie things together. And o…

I don't think that will work. How many of us did contribute a simple patch to LibreOffice, Firefox, or GNOME? At least this statement doesn't hold for LibreOffice. Their Online version, including "simple" HTML/CSS components, was archived because of a lack of maintainers. For their main project, the vast majority of contributions in the last release were made by former ecosystem partners (Collabora) or TDF staff. Vol…

The difference is that LibreOffice, Firefox, and GNOME are really really technically complicated.

Document file formats are a fucking nightmare, especially the Microsoft ones, and needing perfect compatibility with them spanning a generation is hell on earth.

Firefox is a similar scenario but for the web and decades of "it works on the dominant browser but the dominant browser refuses to follow the spec".

And GNOME is a matter of varying levels of direct hardware support/integration and app compatibility across basically the entire personal desktop computer and laptop eras.

Each of those has a compatibility scope that's absolutely massive.

Comparatively Tangled is a greenfield project with no compatibility requirements other than "support git" and "don't break compatibility with itself".

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