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Re: Sam Altman's home targeted in second attack

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Post by gamblor956 »

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #224
gamblor956 wrote: post #179

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The elites that survived ended up better off. 50,000 other elites were killed during the French Revolution. By the same token, the normal populace was also way better off after the French Revolution, since using the money and wealth of the dead elites to improve everyone's lives made a substantial impact on the French civilization that they are still benefiting from today. In other words...the French Revolution is ex…

> * 50,000 other elites were killed during the French Revolution* Ish. Most survived. And they didn’t have jets. Revolutions today are broadly accretive for elites.

I get that as a VC you have a deeply emotional attachment to encouraging people not to resort to violence, but your energies are best directed toward your fellow tech elite to encourage to stop doing things that are leading millions of people to contemplate violence against them.

All the jets in the world won't stop the violence once that bridge is crossed. Because the mob also has access to jets, and boats, and (at that point) an emotional reason to pursue their targets to the ends of the earth.

Ish. Most survived. And they didn’t have jets.

You have a very VC/tech-bro/Theranosesque definition of "most survived". More than 2/3rds of the French aristocracy was killed in the French Revolution. Even the low bound using just the official numbers puts almost half of the aristocrats having been executed or died in prison during the French Revolution.

Revolutions today are broadly accretive for elites.

They aren't, unless you're referring to the weapons dealers, warlords, or the complicit. Revolutions tend to have outsized impacts on reducing the wealth of elites. The only exceptions are where the elites were part of the security apparatus on the side that won the conflict and gained their wealth by murdering the people who had what they wanted. The inevitable result though is that when they lose that power, they tend to lose their lives (see e.g., Syria and South Africa).

Re: Sam Altman's home targeted in second attack

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Post by ivewonyoung »

WarOnPrivacy wrote: post #213
ivewonyoung wrote: post #143

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>> FL crafted a law to help safeguard someone who gets sued for running over a protestor > Source? the defendant in the lawsuit can use the plaintiff’s participation in a "riot," as defined by the 2021 law, as "an affirmative defense." This means that the person being sued can argue in court that their action was justified by the riot. https://api.politifact.com/article/2025/jun/13/can-florida-d... >> FL crafted a la…

For starters, the headline of your link disproves your assertion.

Second, a rioter is not the same as a protestor.

Third, someone must have been in threat from a rioter to use that defense successfully.

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Post by vkou »

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #398
vkou wrote: post #397

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> They don’t flip people on positions. They absolutely do. On September 12, 2001, ~nobody in the United States was interested in starting a war with Iraq. Two years of propaganda later, and all of a sudden, half the population had acquired keen geopolitical insights which necessitated an invasion and occupation of a country that had exactly fuck-all to do with 9/11. A decade later, all of a sudden, nobody wanted to f…

> Two years of propaganda later, and all of a sudden, half the population had acquired keen geopolitical insights which necessitated an invasion and occupation of a country that had exactly fuck-all to do with 9/11 There was desire for vengeance on 12 September. Reporting and politicians channeled it. That’s very different from driving consensus against something people would otherwise support.

You're proving my point. The thumb was put on the scale, he public was bombarded 24/7 with self-serving false dichotomies and viola, you've just manufactured mass public support for insane bullshit.

It works the same way in other countries too. Look at any country that you believe to believe in insane shit - most of those beliefs aren't organic.

Neither are the insane things you believe in. It's just that you can't even see that they aren't the product of your own reasoning. Fish don't have a word for water.

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Post by cruffle_duffle »

vkou wrote: post #403
JumpCrisscross wrote: post #398

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> Two years of propaganda later, and all of a sudden, half the population had acquired keen geopolitical insights which necessitated an invasion and occupation of a country that had exactly fuck-all to do with 9/11 There was desire for vengeance on 12 September. Reporting and politicians channeled it. That’s very different from driving consensus against something people would otherwise support.

You're proving my point. The thumb was put on the scale, he public was bombarded 24/7 with self-serving false dichotomies and viola, you've just manufactured mass public support for insane bullshit. It works the same way in other countries too. Look at any country that you believe to believe in insane shit - most of those beliefs aren't organic. Neither are the insane things you believe in. It's just that you can't e…

> You're proving my point. The thumb was put on the scale, he public was bombarded 24/7 with self-serving false dichotomies and viola, you've just manufactured mass public support for insane bullshit.

See also Covid-19. Same shit only waaaaaaay more batshit insane and waaaaaaaay more crazy 24-7 fear mongering.

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Post by cybercatgurrl »

mbgerring wrote: post #182
tavavex wrote: post #167

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To me it increasingly seems like there's no version of reality where doing anything will solve the problem, unless you're one of the special few people who can influence the world. The violence is a sign of that. Average people don't do things like these, but when they start feeling helpless, the most unstable people of that society that don't have anything to lose will start acting more erratically. If there's no pr…

We invented something called “democracy” to fix this, and then we allowed enough wealth to accumulate that the wealthy just bought it and nerfed it. We went through a cycle like this once before in U.S. history, and the amount of violence it took to correct the overreach of organized money was not 0.

when government’s aren’t wealthy and investing heavily in the public private individuals are and that’s where inequality starts. the only way out of this is with enough taxation to level the playing field for the common man and to provide the government with the resources to lift the welfare of it’s citizens

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Post by Gud »

kazinator wrote: post #204
mbgerring wrote: post #182

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We invented something called “democracy” to fix this, and then we allowed enough wealth to accumulate that the wealthy just bought it and nerfed it. We went through a cycle like this once before in U.S. history, and the amount of violence it took to correct the overreach of organized money was not 0.

That was a design feature of democracy all along, not a bug.

This is not the reality in every democracy.

I live in Switzerland, which has a highly functional democracy.

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Post by refurb »

Imustaskforhelp wrote: post #343
refurb wrote: post #288

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If you don’t have large support for your ideas then it shouldn’t be a surprise it’s hard. But that’s the intent of the system? Represent what most people want.

Yeah, America as a whole voted for Trump, and later atleast reading online I am seeing people be like: "I didn't know he was this bad" when reading his policies, he was exactly this bad :-/ People don't vote for their own gains but rather the gains of the few and to be honest, one can argue that within America this is a both-party problem and sometimes you are just picking for the less wrong politician and then you h…

I would be very careful drawing any sort of conclusions based on “what people say online”

It’s hardly a representative sample of the country, and in many instances isn’t even an American citizen.

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Post by refurb »

bluefirebrand wrote: post #359
refurb wrote: post #287

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Well connected? A professor at a small college from a town of 15,000? Nope. She had been working on entrepreneurship for a while so had met her reps years ago. No money involved. Hell, not even from a very big state.

Even at smaller institutes, professors have access to way more networking events than many other people would ever even come close to

I mean this professor does because they put the work in to build a network.

Nothing stops the average citizen from organizing and getting similar access to representatives.

Instead we get people who don’t even know who their representative is claiming they’re sure the whole system is rigged.

It’s not that different than people who claim there are no jobs when they haven’t even applied to any.

Re: Sam Altman's home targeted in second attack

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Post by JumpCrisscross »

gamblor956 wrote: post #401
JumpCrisscross wrote: post #224

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> * 50,000 other elites were killed during the French Revolution* Ish. Most survived. And they didn’t have jets. Revolutions today are broadly accretive for elites.

I get that as a VC you have a deeply emotional attachment to encouraging people not to resort to violence, but your energies are best directed toward your fellow tech elite to encourage to stop doing things that are leading millions of people to contemplate violence against them. All the jets in the world won't stop the violence once that bridge is crossed. Because the mob also has access to jets, and boats, and (at…

> as a VC you have a deeply emotional attachment to encouraging people not to resort to violence

…why? Most of Silicon Valley’s elites are itching for violence in politics. To the degree they’re putting thumbs on the scale, on the net, it’s for more violence.

> the mob also has access to jets

No. It doesn’t. In zero civil breakdowns in the last half century did the mob get the jets during breakdown. The closest one can get is the Taliban seizing U.S. materiel.

> More than 2/3rds of the French aristocracy was killed in the French Revolution

Source? The majority of those killed were commoners.

> They aren't, unless you're referring to the weapons dealers, warlords, or the complicit

Complicit. A breakdown in violence would give the authoritarians a bona fide Reichstag fire.

> inevitable result though is that when they lose that power, they tend to lose their lives (see e.g., Syria and South Africa)

The former president of Syria is in Russia. Much of the South African elite is complaining about white genocides in the U.S.

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