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Who cares if she can’t find her elderly father? A small price to pay to preserve the stratospheric prices on football TV rights!!!!
The thing is it doesn't protect anything. All it does is funnel money to VPN providers
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Re: Tell HN: Docker pull fails in Spain due to football Cloudflare block
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Are blocking unlawful? I don't think so. Their country their rules. Business-wise it's risky to deliver your service from IPs that also serves dirty content. Technical solutions exists, even if you want to stay on Cloudflare.
Country-wise it's risky to block the entire internet when football is on.
Solutions exist if this market is important to your business.
Re: Tell HN: Docker pull fails in Spain due to football Cloudflare block
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AFAIK not much in most of the world, in Germany you get a letter from lawyers wanting ~1000 EUR
In Australia the court ruled that they can only sue for the cost of renting the movie, so they don't bother trying to recoup their ten bucks
Re: Tell HN: Docker pull fails in Spain due to football Cloudflare block
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In all fairness, the Spanish economy is a mine, a farm and a soccer league in a trenchcoat. Better than Ireland which is 2 tax shelters in a trenchcoat, but not by much. Not surprisingly, they are the 2 most left leaning countries in Europe. To be fair, they had an actual fascist government in Spain for several decades and there were atrocities committed.
Ireland, the country with 2 center right parties that differ with regards to patronage networks and political history from 1940, is one of the most left-wing leaning countries in Europe?
Re: Tell HN: Docker pull fails in Spain due to football Cloudflare block
#405They block the whole of Cloudflare R2, I believe the Docker hub is just (heh) a collateral. When the La Liga match starts, everything that's proxied via CF (including zero access reverse tunnels) stops working. There's even a website made for checking if the match is on: https://hayahora.futbol/ You can check if your host is affected: https://hayahora.futbol/#comprobador&domain=docker-images-pr...
Why do they do that? Sorry, I don't speak Spanish.
When the match starts, Movistar (a big ISP, but also a TV platform that streams legally football matches) sues itself in the following terms: "we, Movistar TV, demand that Movistar ISP blocks the following IPs that are being used to stream our matches illegally", on a special and urgent procedure. The judge tells Movistar-ISP to block the IP, which they do in seconds. Now replace Movistar with the biggest ISPs in Spain, and you have more than 80% of the country with Internet capped for hours (except if you know how to use some kind of tunneling)
As the pirates share the IP with so many sites, because the IP is actually a Cloudflare proxy, a big chunk of the internet goes down. Users complains, and Movistar ask Cloudflare to block the real IP and spare the rest. Cloudflare says that they cannot legally do that as no judge actually told them to.
Our Spanish judges are historically inept when talking about copyright, internet, file sharing and similar stuff. Some of them might be more updated, but there has been cases that they ordered some publications to surrender their lithographic plates, because a cover has to be retired as late as 2007 (https://www.elmundo.es/elmundo/2007/07/20/espana/1184937587....). So I don't think they understand much more about what is an IP other than "a IP is a number assigned to a computer". And Movistar is quite happy with that.
Re: Tell HN: Docker pull fails in Spain due to football Cloudflare block
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Because the EU as a whole is quite happy to censor and generally wield the same tricks as "non-Western" countries in their desires to combat misinformation (however our EU bureaucrats define it), child abuse materials (see Chat Control that thing is not going to go away), and hatred (oh boy). We've never guaranteed the right to free speech and because we haven't it's a slippery slope all the way back down to the furn…
Not sure why you get downvoted. EU censors quite a bit. I can't read about 10 Telegram channels that I could access just 3 years ago, and the list is growing. All due to "vioalted laws of [my country]". (said near-east related channels have nothing to do with my country, government just doesn't want me to read them) Some people deemed "russian assets" are not just censored, but stripped of ability to leave EU and pre…
"EU" doesn't censor anything, there isn't even any authority nor infrastructure that could do that.
Individual countries, like Spain, does have a bunch of censorship though, this is pretty clear and evident already. But I think if you want to share something useful or even informative, you need to add what country this experience of yours is about, because it's not true in any/every EU country.
Re: Tell HN: Docker pull fails in Spain due to football Cloudflare block
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Or to put it another way: Catalunya (Barcelona and surroundings) is one of 3 Spanish regions that want to break away from Spain, not counting overseas territories. And yes, the population really wants this: there was a referendum and the outcome was: 92% want out of Spain. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2017_Catalan_independence_refe... (why? Let's be honest: Catalunya would benefit enormously from independence, but w…
You forgot to mention that some of the people behind the catalonian independence movement met with Russians who even offered military support if they went ahead with a proclamation of independency. I think we should all move on from that bizarre situation.
Spain quietly drops probe into “Russian meddling” in Catalan referendum: https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2021/06/21/cata-j21.html
Re: Tell HN: Docker pull fails in Spain due to football Cloudflare block
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We also need more tech-savvy politicians in office. There are a lot of politicians who are expected to legislate on important technology issues that barely know how to use a cellphone.
Probably not, the tech-savvy politicians know about things like "DPI" and "traffic signatures".
Re: Tell HN: Docker pull fails in Spain due to football Cloudflare block
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Also, a classic tweet from the Cloudflare CEO re their fight with Italians authorities re censorship: https://xcancel.com/eastdakota/status/2009654937303896492 Everyone looks bad in this conflict.
How does this make Matthew look bad?
Re: Tell HN: Docker pull fails in Spain due to football Cloudflare block
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But it also highlights the fact that the idea of blocking “dirty IPs” is at best a blunt instrument. Every ISP has abusers. Some are worse than others at self-policing their customers. Cloudflare is reputable and better than most. Given the huge breadth of sites sitting behind Cloudflare, it’s crazy, IMO, to block all of Cloudflare.
It does not block all of cloudflare, it blocks their shared IPs. If you are doing serious business you may not want to do it on IPs that are also used for shady content. IP reputation is a well known strategy, used by emails and other firewalls.