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Anthropic downgraded cache TTL on March 6th

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Re: Anthropic downgraded cache TTL on March 6th

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Post by TheDong »

Bolwin wrote: post #230
andai wrote: post #65

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well, off the top of my head: - Banning OpenClaw users (within their rights, of course, but bad optics) - Banning 3rd party harnesses in general (ditto) (claude -p still works on the sub but I get the feeling like if I actually use it, I'll get my Anthropic acct. nuked. Would be great to get some clarity on this. If I invoke it from my Telegram bot, is that an unauthorized 3rd party harness?) - Lowering reasoning eff…

Claude -p is allowed. They're not going to give you a feature then ban you for using it. What they changed is that it now uses extra usage, which is charged at api rates

"claude -p" does not charge api rates by itself, I just ran "claude -p 'write hello world to foo.txt'", and it didn't.

What they changed is that if you have OpenClaw run 'claude -p' for you, that gets your account banned or charged API rates, and if they think your usage of 'claude -p' is maybe OpenClaw, even if it's not, you get charged API rates or banned.

It seems so silly to me. They built a feature with one billing rate, and the feature is a bash command. If you have a bad program run the bash command, you get billed at a different rate, if you have a good script you wrote yourself run it, you're fine, but they have literally no legitimate way to tell the difference since either way it's just a command being run.

The justification going around is that OpenClaw usage is so heavy that it impacts the service for other people, but like OpenClaw was just using the "claude code max" plan, so if they can't handle the usage the plan promises, they should be changing the plan.

If they had instead said "Your claude code max plan, which has XX quota, will get charged API rates if you consistently use 50% of your quota. The quota is actually a lie, it's just the amount you can burst up to once or twice a week, but definitely not every day" and just banned everyone that used claude code a lot, I wouldn't be complaining as much, that'd be much more consistent.

Re: Anthropic downgraded cache TTL on March 6th

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Post by infecto »

Dylan16807 wrote: post #398
infecto wrote: post #381

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It is not a premium service, it simply is buying you more tokens. Those $200 gives you at least $400 in API cost tokens. Don't confused price with "premium service". It was not that long ago that folks would be spending $100-200 on their cable service bundle. You are buying a subsidized product when using the plan and the more you spend the more tokens you get, has nothing to do with being a premium service.

> It is not a premium service, it simply is buying you more tokens. The cheap plans are usually semi-unlimited the same way but not as powerful. This isn't simply a matter of buying more tokens. > It was not that long ago that folks would be spending $100-200 on their cable service bundle. Compared to OTA that's premium, but more relevantly if most cable buyers are getting a hypothetical $10 bundle then the $100 one…

Sorry still not sure what you’re going on about . The majority of LLM plans are simply a token purchase. The $200 account buys you nothing but tokens. It’s not a premium service, it’s simply more tokens. This is true for most of the companies out there.

The original comment was they are paying for a premium service. No they are paying for more tokens. You lot going on and on arguing over some small hill.

Re: Anthropic downgraded cache TTL on March 6th

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Post by lumost »

sunaurus wrote: post #16

Has anybody else noticed a pretty significant shift in sentiment when discussing Claude/Codex with other engineers since even just a few months ago? Specifically because of the secret/hidden nature of these changes. I keep getting the sense that people feel like they have no idea if they are getting the product that they originally paid for, or something much weaker, and this sentiment seems to be constantly spreadin…

Codex is my favored coding agent for generic "I need an agent tasks." GPT-5.4 does a bit better with images compared to claude, and debugs a little bit better.

The UX of codex is exceptionally nice however.

Re: Anthropic downgraded cache TTL on March 6th

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Post by Dylan16807 »

infecto wrote: post #402
Dylan16807 wrote: post #398

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> It is not a premium service, it simply is buying you more tokens. The cheap plans are usually semi-unlimited the same way but not as powerful. This isn't simply a matter of buying more tokens. > It was not that long ago that folks would be spending $100-200 on their cable service bundle. Compared to OTA that's premium, but more relevantly if most cable buyers are getting a hypothetical $10 bundle then the $100 one…

Sorry still not sure what you’re going on about . The majority of LLM plans are simply a token purchase. The $200 account buys you nothing but tokens. It’s not a premium service, it’s simply more tokens. This is true for most of the companies out there. The original comment was they are paying for a premium service. No they are paying for more tokens. You lot going on and on arguing over some small hill.

The lower tier openai and google plans don't have access to the same models. Where are you seeing popular plans that are simply token purchases?

Re: Anthropic downgraded cache TTL on March 6th

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Post by rachel_rig »

siva7 wrote: post #348
andai wrote: post #65

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well, off the top of my head: - Banning OpenClaw users (within their rights, of course, but bad optics) - Banning 3rd party harnesses in general (ditto) (claude -p still works on the sub but I get the feeling like if I actually use it, I'll get my Anthropic acct. nuked. Would be great to get some clarity on this. If I invoke it from my Telegram bot, is that an unauthorized 3rd party harness?) - Lowering reasoning eff…

Anthropic has become shady as hell in less than a few weeks. The DoD Story and the overall popularity among developers got them a huge leap over OAI but i certainly won't renew my subscription with them. The Claude SDK feels like a constant fight against its own limitations compared to Codex and other Harnesses.

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Re: Anthropic downgraded cache TTL on March 6th

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Post by itemize123 »

colechristensen wrote: post #210
disillusioned wrote: post #8

It's also routinely failing the car wash question across all models now, which wasn't the case a month ago. :-/ Seeing some things about how the effort selector isn't working as intended necessarily and the model is regressing in other ways: over-emphasizing how "difficult" a problem is to solve and choosing to avoid it because of the "time" it would take, but quoted in human effort, or suggesting the "easier" path f…

>“idgaf about risk you coward, waste some time just do it and stop bitching” The above was a successful prompt to get Claude to stop whining about effort, difficulty, and time. Unfortunately abusive language well placed is an effective LLM motivator.

are you sure other forms of language to express urgency doesn't work as well or better?

Re: Anthropic downgraded cache TTL on March 6th

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Post by kshacker »

airstrike wrote: post #124
christoph wrote: post #97

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A good lesson for all - I always really liked the Picasso version: In a bustling restaurant, an excited patron recognized the famous artist Picasso dining alone. Seizing the moment, the patron approached Picasso with a simple request. With a plain napkin and a big smile, he asked the artist for a drawing. He promised payment for his troubles. Picasso, ever the creator, didn’t hesitate. From his pocket, he produced a…

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A good engineer and / or a tenured engineer could very well be compared to Picasso in this story. A tenured engineer did not just sit their entire career drawing that painting on the napkin, they delivered other results too. But at the end of it, they are able to deliver a Picasso at a moment's notice.

Re: Anthropic downgraded cache TTL on March 6th

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Post by theonemind »

MuffinFlavored wrote: post #207
rlpb wrote: post #80

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> It's all circumstantial but everything points towards "desperately trying to cut costs". I have been wondering if it's more geared at reducing resource usage, given that at the moment there's a known constraint on AI datacenter expansion capability. Perhaps they are struggling to meet demand?

I wish they would just rip the bandaid to stop everybody's entitled whining. "We're sorry, what we were able to give you for $100/mo before now needs to be $200/mo (or more). We miscalculated/we were too generous/gave too much away for too little. It's a new technology, we are seeing a ton of demand, we are trying to run a business, hope you understand. If you don't want it, don't pay for it."

Honestly, I wish they couldn’t subsidize with VC cash and such and offer below cost to begin with. Like I wish it were illegal. Basically this allows things like Uber, more or less putting taxis out of business and then being worse than what they replaced.

I’d like to see a lot more than entitled whining. I would like to see the fist of regulation slammed down on the back of these tech shenanigans where they know they’ll never be able to match the prices they’re starting with

Re: Anthropic downgraded cache TTL on March 6th

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Post by [deleted] »

derangedHorse wrote: post #94
zazibar wrote: post #74

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A month ago the company I work at with over 400 engineers decided to cancel all IDE subscriptions (Visual Studio, JetBrains, Windsurf, etc.) and move everyone over to Claude Code as a "cost-saving measure" (along with firing a bunch of test engineers). There was no migration plan - the EVP of Technology just gave a demo showing 2 greenfield projects he'd built with Claude Opus over a weekend and told everyone to copy…

Pretty bad decision on his part. I've been telling other engineers within my company who felt threatened by AI that this would happen. That prices would rise and the marginal cost for changes to big codebases would start to exceed the cost of an engineer's salary. API credits are expensive, especially for huge contexts, and sometimes the model will use $200 in credits trying to solve a problem that could be fixed in…

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Re: Anthropic downgraded cache TTL on March 6th

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Post by alphabettsy »

jclardy wrote: post #276
sunaurus wrote: post #16

Has anybody else noticed a pretty significant shift in sentiment when discussing Claude/Codex with other engineers since even just a few months ago? Specifically because of the secret/hidden nature of these changes. I keep getting the sense that people feel like they have no idea if they are getting the product that they originally paid for, or something much weaker, and this sentiment seems to be constantly spreadin…

Just anecdotal, but I was using Claude Code for everything a few months ago, and it seemed great. Now, it is making a ton of mistakes, doing the wrong thing, misunderstanding context, and just generally being unusable. I now have been using Codex and everything has been great (I still swap back and forth but generally to check things out.) My theory is just that the models are great after release to get people switch…

People keep saying this, but I’m not sure I buy it.

I was using both Codex and Claude Code heavily on some projects this weekend.

In one project Codex was screwing everything up and in another one absolutely killing it. I’ve seen the same from Claude.

In the bad Codex example it had the wrong idea and kept trying to figure out how to accomplish the same thing no matter how many times I attempt to correct it. Undoing the recent changes where it went down the wrong path was the only way to get things back on track.

I wonder if context poisoning is a bigger problem than people realize.

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