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German men 18-45 need military permit for extended stays abroad

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Re: German men 18-45 need military permit for extended stays abroad

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Post by ceejayoz »

roshin wrote: post #344
bilsbie wrote: post #221

“ Everyone has the right to leave any country, including his own, and to return to his country.” - Universal Declaration of Human Rights https://www.ohchr.org/en/human-rights/universal-declaration/...

Ukraine has been violating that for young men since the start of its war.

In an attempt to preserve the rights of Ukrainian citizens in the long run. Surrendering to Russia would have more impact than the draft does.

The UN acknowledges this conflict to some extent; https://www.ohchr.org/en/conscientious-objection

Re: German men 18-45 need military permit for extended stays abroad

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Post by cedws »

saidnooneever wrote: post #388
cedws wrote: post #375

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Hard to feel the same sympathy for Russian men to be honest, I've seen many gallivanting abroad, whilst majority of Ukrainian men are stuck either in hiding in their own country or have been sent to the front lines. Only a few got out early or by paying bribes.

honestly i am happy for the russian and ukranian young men and women i meet here in NL each day. Glad for them they can dodge the draft. most simply drove out, some had more hastle than others. war is shit on all sides and thinking one or the other suffers less because you dont like their colours is very short sighted.... i think we had enough time by now to realise it. and dont call it cowardice if someone doesnt wa…

It's objectively worse on the Ukrainian side. Imagine you haven't been able to leave your house in 4 years for fear you'll be grabbed by a draft officer. Russians do not know this fear.

To boot, many Russian men have been paid handsomely for their participation in the SMO and get to live nice lives abroad.

Re: German men 18-45 need military permit for extended stays abroad

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Post by charlie90 »

whynotmaybe wrote: post #241
xandrius wrote: post #176

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And what about a government which sends sons? Your point makes absolutely no sense, especially in relation to feminism. Equal rights and equal duties.

Yes, but in 12 month, 1 man and 20 women can produce the 20 kids. It's not the case with 1 woman and 20 men.

Western women are already only producing ~1.5 kids (many with none!), you could send 50% of young women to die in war, then have the other half have a fertility rate of 6, like what their great great grandmothers had, and we would be far far ahead already.

Re: German men 18-45 need military permit for extended stays abroad

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Post by kstenerud »

rvnx wrote: post #232
baxtr wrote: post #171

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You’ve never been to Germany, have you?

Guess what, many jews self-reported themselves to the authorities just to follow the process and that led directly to their death. https://www.ushmm.org/online/hsv/source_view.php?SourceId=42... Of course, this is old times now, but here is the same, there is no benefit to register, and you increase your risk to die. Don't do it.

When your own country is invaded, it changes the calculus.

Re: German men 18-45 need military permit for extended stays abroad

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Post by cjbgkagh »

eesmith wrote: post #390
cjbgkagh wrote: post #312

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A small set of counter examples do not invalidate broad generalizations. And if my state wants to commit economic suicide and there is no way for me to stop it I feel no need to join it.

Over 300,000 women were deployed to Iraq and Afghanistan. You have no idea what their grip strength was. You have no idea what their overall strength was. You have no idea if their duties required that strength, or if endurance, focus for long periods of time, ability to work in a group, were more imports. Did you learn your grip strength factoid on some men's rights podcast?

Not sure Iraq and Afghanistan are the best examples of success.

I do have a good idea what their grips strength were, the US armed forces do such studies all of the time, sometimes they publish them. The statistics around this are well known. Grip strength is used as it's a good proxy and easy to do in an informal setting.

I'm very interested in health and resistance training is a part of that. I'm also interested in the social phenomena of certain ideological groupings of thought, such as 'healthy at any size' and 'women are exactly equal to men'.

Re: German men 18-45 need military permit for extended stays abroad

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Post by llukas »

whynotmaybe wrote: post #241
xandrius wrote: post #176

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And what about a government which sends sons? Your point makes absolutely no sense, especially in relation to feminism. Equal rights and equal duties.

Yes, but in 12 month, 1 man and 20 women can produce the 20 kids. It's not the case with 1 woman and 20 men.

Can you share examples of this happening in modern history at scale?

Re: German men 18-45 need military permit for extended stays abroad

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Post by randomNumber7 »

kingleopold wrote: post #377
roshin wrote: post #344

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Ukraine has been violating that for young men since the start of its war.

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You can now simply change the gender in your passport as a german, so practically it would be very easy to get around this.

But it is very easy to see from this all that some people are very vocal about equality when in reality they want privileges.

Re: German men 18-45 need military permit for extended stays abroad

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Post by randomNumber7 »

Izikiel43 wrote: post #363
bilsbie wrote: post #221

“ Everyone has the right to leave any country, including his own, and to return to his country.” - Universal Declaration of Human Rights https://www.ohchr.org/en/human-rights/universal-declaration/...

Yeah, those are just pretty words without the power to enforce them, like everything else the UN does

Every law is just words unless there is a power that can enforce it.
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