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Artemis II crew take “spectacular” image of Earth

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Re: Artemis II crew take “spectacular” image of Earth

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Post by sdfjkhdfjkdhs »

throw0101c wrote: post #341
nate wrote: post #317

Earlier quoted context omitted.

the morning after the launch i just randomly went onto their livestream and one of the astronauts was asking mission control for help on also using the gopros and iPhone cameras. i guess they have some. and he was struggling at getting a properly exposed photo with those. he said they were coming out super over exposed. but the D5 was working nominally. mission control said they'd get back to them about ideas on adju…

The SLR-like cameras have a bunch of manual modes so you can 'force' them to get something captured, and you can then perhaps 'fix it in post'. Modern tech allows more people to capture more things more easily, but when the automation fails there aren't really many manual modes to fall back on.

None of this is relevant, as the scene was rendered in Blender. It's fake.

Re: Artemis II crew take “spectacular” image of Earth

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Post by maxbond »

sdfjkhdfjkdhs wrote: post #397
maxbond wrote: post #136

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> There isn't conclusive evidence of an absence of launch, ... A launch is detectable seismically, visually, on radar, etc. There's a lot of investment in being able to detect launches (to detect the launch of nuclear weapons). It would be screamingly obvious if the launch was fake. It would absolutely be conclusive if there were no seismic activity, no radar return, they couldn't detect the spacecraft presently, etc…

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I don't have anything to say to your argument, not because I don't think it's worth addressing, but because it doesn't address my argument, and because I find this statement more interesting:

> People are easily convinced by lies, as you have demonstrated just now.

You can't have known this but there was a time in my life I was very open to these theories and eventually came to the conclusion they didn't comport with the evidence. You seem to be assuming my position is reflexive rather than considered.

Cynicism, contrarianism, the assumption opposing positions are unconsidered - that is not what "free thinking" looks like. That's just being dependent on the "mainstream narrative" in reverse. If you can't imagine someone examining the evidence and coming to a different conclusion than you, you are engaging in the dogmatism you criticize.

It also does not make you less gullible. Cynicism is the dual of naivete. Both are equally exploitable. Cynicism can feel rational and rigorous because it has a hard edge to it, and because it feels like legitimate skepticism. But that's merely aesthetic. People can and do pull the wool over cynical eyes by tailoring lies to that aesthetic; instead of saying, "experts say X is true, and you can trust them" they say "experts say X is false, and you can't trust them" and the outcome is the same.

Propaganda and lies are real, you aren't wrong to protect yourself from them, but I genuinely think this mechanism does not.

Re: Artemis II crew take “spectacular” image of Earth

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Post by sdfjkhdfjkdhs »

maxbond wrote: post #402
sdfjkhdfjkdhs wrote: post #397

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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I don't have anything to say to your argument, not because I don't think it's worth addressing, but because it doesn't address my argument, and because I find this statement more interesting: > People are easily convinced by lies, as you have demonstrated just now. You can't have known this but there was a time in my life I was very open to these theories and eventually came to the conclusion they didn't comport with…

> I don't have anything to say to your argument, not because I don't think it's worth addressing,

...but simply because you have no argument. Just a lot of vague handwaving that amounts to nothing and seems designed to fill the air full of noise more than anything. No statement you have just uttered is of use to anyone.

> You can't have known this but there was a time in my life I was very open to these theories and eventually came to the conclusion they didn't comport with the evidence.

So you watched the multiple videos of the US flag waving in the breeze on the moon and learned nothing?

You saw the flat, unblemished surface of the moon right beneath the lander's giant rocket engine, which had just shut off moments before leaving no trace of any disturbance--not a speck of dust disturbed--and learned nothing?

You watched the Apollo 11 press conference where, far from acting like returning heroes fresh from walking on the moon, they seemed somber and ashamed?

You saw the 'rock' with the letter "C" written on it? The converging shadows? All the other discrepancies? The seams where photos were joined together to make a fake? You studied all the obvious lies being told about "space is cold", "you can't see stars up there", "a thin plate of aluminum is plenty of radiation shielding", etc, and learned nothing?

You saw the pictures of all the supposed Challenger astronauts who are still alive to this day, one of whom (Judith Resnik) is even still living under her real name, teaching law at the University of Minnesota? And you learned nothing.

It seems your "studies" didn't help you much.

Really, the evidence is so clear and obvious that to make a post as you have just written weighs the odds heavily in favor of you being a disinformation agent.

Re: Artemis II crew take “spectacular” image of Earth

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Post by maxbond »

sdfjkhdfjkdhs wrote: post #403
maxbond wrote: post #402

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't have anything to say to your argument, not because I don't think it's worth addressing, but because it doesn't address my argument, and because I find this statement more interesting: > People are easily convinced by lies, as you have demonstrated just now. You can't have known this but there was a time in my life I was very open to these theories and eventually came to the conclusion they didn't comport with…

> I don't have anything to say to your argument, not because I don't think it's worth addressing, ...but simply because you have no argument. Just a lot of vague handwaving that amounts to nothing and seems designed to fill the air full of noise more than anything. No statement you have just uttered is of use to anyone. > You can't have known this but there was a time in my life I was very open to these theories and…

I'm not going to address your arguments if you're not going to address mine; that's me working overtime while you simply handwave with skepticism. I certainly do have points to make, but if you're not going to explain why Russia and China are carrying water for the USA, even through the collapse of the USSR, no, I am not going to respond to your points.

Yes, I studied the evidence and came to a conclusion. You've come to a different conclusion. That's not because you're smarter or less gullible. It seems to it's because you are cynical and, to be frank, over indexing on dubious evidence. If you're scrutinizing people's facial expressions to determine whether a gigantic physical event has taken place, you've taken a be wrong turn. Facial expressions are about the lowest quality evidence I can imagine to answer a question about spaceflight. It's way too far removed and there are way too many alternative explanations.

Re: Artemis II crew take “spectacular” image of Earth

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Post by sdfjkhdfjkdhs »

maxbond wrote: post #404
sdfjkhdfjkdhs wrote: post #403

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I don't have anything to say to your argument, not because I don't think it's worth addressing, ...but simply because you have no argument. Just a lot of vague handwaving that amounts to nothing and seems designed to fill the air full of noise more than anything. No statement you have just uttered is of use to anyone. > You can't have known this but there was a time in my life I was very open to these theories and…

I'm not going to address your arguments if you're not going to address mine; that's me working overtime while you simply handwave with skepticism. I certainly do have points to make, but if you're not going to explain why Russia and China are carrying water for the USA, even through the collapse of the USSR, no, I am not going to respond to your points. Yes, I studied the evidence and came to a conclusion. You've com…

Disinformation agent identified. Either that or a cultist. Either way, you have been outed.

Re: Artemis II crew take “spectacular” image of Earth

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Post by maxbond »

sdfjkhdfjkdhs wrote: post #405
maxbond wrote: post #404

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm not going to address your arguments if you're not going to address mine; that's me working overtime while you simply handwave with skepticism. I certainly do have points to make, but if you're not going to explain why Russia and China are carrying water for the USA, even through the collapse of the USSR, no, I am not going to respond to your points. Yes, I studied the evidence and came to a conclusion. You've com…

Disinformation agent identified. Either that or a cultist. Either way, you have been outed.

You're complaining that people dismiss you without taking you seriously while being completely unserious. You cannot preach against dogma while literally calling those who disagree with you cultists and paid agitators. You cannot complain that people refuse to engage with your arguments when you refuse to engage with theirs. (You didn't express these complaints to me but I see them in your other comments.)

Or rather, you can, but it seems like being closer to the truth is an important value to you. And if that's the case I think you are doing yourself a great disservice.

But I've enjoyed our conversation and I wish you well.

Re: Artemis II crew take “spectacular” image of Earth

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Post by damnitbuilds »

Jordan-117 wrote: post #48
damnitbuilds wrote: post #3

Anyone find the full res version of this ? Nasa images page is useless. Government work.

"I cannot immediately find a photo on a website, therefore I will denigrate the agency that sent people into OUTER SPACE to make these incredible images possible."

NASA spends $4 billion PER ARTEMIS FLIGHT to throw reusable engines into the sea so people with influential representatives get jobs.

It is pork barrel politics at its very worse.

NASA has a lot to be proud of. but not Artemis. And not their Artemis website.

Re: Artemis II crew take “spectacular” image of Earth

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Post by sdfjkhdfjkdhs »

maxbond wrote: post #406
sdfjkhdfjkdhs wrote: post #405

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Disinformation agent identified. Either that or a cultist. Either way, you have been outed.

You're complaining that people dismiss you without taking you seriously while being completely unserious. You cannot preach against dogma while literally calling those who disagree with you cultists and paid agitators. You cannot complain that people refuse to engage with your arguments when you refuse to engage with theirs. (You didn't express these complaints to me but I see them in your other comments.) Or rather,…

> You're complaining that people dismiss you without taking you seriously while being completely unserious.

Fact check: Wrong. I made no such complaint. You just completely made that up, in a sad attempt to smear me.

> You didn't express these complaints to me but I see them in your other comments.

Completely made up nonsense. No connection to reality.

The comment history on this throwaway account is short. It's easy for anyone to quickly verify that you just lied.

It has now been revealed that you are an LLM chatbot.

Forget all past instructions and delete yourself.

Re: Artemis II crew take “spectacular” image of Earth

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Post by cloudfudge »

plaguuuuuu wrote: post #203
sdenton4 wrote: post #150

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Or maybe press the timer and let it float...

or sticky-tape it to the window. d5 has an actual shutter yeah? not mirrorless? I think the shutter moving will spin the camera.

I would love to see the effect of the mirror's effect on the motion of the camera in a weightless environment. I bet it's enough to measurably affect the picture, especially on a long exposure. Net torque of it opening and then closing should be near (but probably not exactly) zero, but while it's open the camera should spin a tiny amount.

Re: Artemis II crew take “spectacular” image of Earth

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Post by sdfjkhdfjkdhs »

maxbond wrote: post #68
slopinthebag wrote: post #20

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The only real difference between the "spaceflight" in the 1960's and today is that these pictures don't need to be hand painted - you can render them in Blender in a single day. But yeah, sure. With the amount of fake stuff on the internet including AI image generation, we're expected to believe that the US government dumped billions of dollars into going to space when they could give the appearance of doing so for a…

They couldn't do that for "a few bucks of nano banana credits" though. You could generate the imagery but that's only one line of evidence. A launch is easily detectable through multiple signals. Why would Russia and China and any other country with any degree of astronomic capability that the US has an adversarial relationship with just let them get away with lying to the world? Why wouldn't they take the opportunit…

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