The new definition of democracy and freedom is:
- censoreship
- propaganda
- ban of oppositions (anti globalist, conservative parties)
- NO privacy
The EU still wants to scan your private messages and photos
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Re: The EU still wants to scan your private messages and photos
#402results here:
https://portal.assisteu.eu/european_parliament/plenary/votes...
You can find how present MEPs voted
There are 10 votings (not only one), some adopted and some rejected, I am not sure what that means, maybe someone can elaborate.
Re: The EU still wants to scan your private messages and photos
#403Curious how they plan to handle encrypted attachments — scanning has to happen either before encryption (client-side) or after decryption (server-side). If E2EE is preserved end-to-end, there's literally no point in the pipeline where a third party can scan without the client's cooperation. So either E2EE breaks, or the law is unenforceable by design.
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#404Earlier quoted context omitted.
"Conservatives" feel no shame. But they are first-class in acting like a victim It's the same thing as with your republicans.
Im no conservative, but I thought useres of this site were more intelligent than to throw massive negative stereotypes out about groups of millions of people.
There are luckily not millions of conservative politicians. Those we have right now do already enough damage.
The older ones who resigned when they fucked up, or had a moral compass seamed to have disappeared. Instead we have more and more "MAGA-Style"-Politics
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#405Earlier quoted context omitted.
Many people here seem to have great difficulty with reading comprehension
And many people here clearly have memory of a goldfish. Chat control (in its different phases) has been brought up and promoted by both conservative\liberal and social democratic factions of the EU parliament. The fact that this time it was EPP that put forward the vote does not mean that just conservatives are the ones pushing for chat control. This is all a fantasy. Politics is about understanding things in a histo…
They are the ones pushing for it right now.
And other all-time big brain ideas like Upload-Filters for copyright enforcement, or privatising the water sector also came from them.
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#406Earlier quoted context omitted.
Because we can barely stop new legislation we don't like, let alone pass new ones we do. You're out-monied by lobbyists at all levels. Maybe a movement could match a lobbyist in terms of money. I hope so.
> You're out-monied by lobbyists at all levels. What does industry gain from new laws here?
Less industry, more small coalitions or special interest groups. Any number of things. To name a few factors
- ideaological. They truly believe this is the best choice, or are fixated only on this choice and nothing else. They are putting their money where their mouths are
- financial. Straightforward one. If they need a service to collect ID's and you can get a government contract, that's big, safe, money. Or a politician is bribed and doesn't care either way. Companies find loopholes to sell data and make even more money.
- power. You get a law passed, you get more leverage to being voted into politics, or maintaining your incumbency. You show you can "get things done"
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#407Earlier quoted context omitted.
As a EU citizen, it pisses me off that the US is (with others outside the EU) trying this hard to lobby to undermine our democracy and freedom of speech. https://digitalcourage.social/@echo_pbreyer/1162053712243153... And I’d still take this clusterfuck over the alternative current state of the US. At least this situation we can (and have been) striking down, despite all the naysayers on HN. Here’s to hoping we’re ab…
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more like, Europeans have a habit of making "Orange Man Bad" criticisms to deflect from criticism of the EU. But yeah you're on the right lines.
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#408Earlier quoted context omitted.
Stopping legislation means organizing a sufficient number of no votes. Passing it means organizing a sufficient number of yes votes. They are the same process and they require exactly the same work. They take place at the exact same moment in time and space, although they are mutually exclusive. You're free to describe things however you want, but your descriptions won't change the underlying reality.
It's far far easier to tear down than to build.
Yup, just look at the USA. Despite all chambers being under one party, the executive cabinet is still choosing to bypass laws to force stuff. Because waiting for legislation o pass it legally is sill a higher barrier than smashing he rule of law.
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#409Earlier quoted context omitted.
"Conservatives" feel no shame. But they are first-class in acting like a victim It's the same thing as with your republicans.
Im no conservative, but I thought useres of this site were more intelligent than to throw massive negative stereotypes out about groups of millions of people.
Their leadership in my country has done this for a decade, but the conservative approval rating for the president is still in the low 80's at worst.
At what point do we admit that most of a group people are fine with a negative stereotype?
Re: The EU still wants to scan your private messages and photos
#410Earlier quoted context omitted.
As an EU citizen I have to remind you that as a (most likely) US citizen, you've had the Patiot act sanction the NSA to have free reign for this sort of thing for the past 25 years. We've shot it down before, and we'll shoot it down again, regardless of how relentless Palantir lobbying gets.
> you've had the Patiot act sanction the NSA to have free reign for this sort of thing for the past 25 years. This is not true. No part of the Patriot Act required all people all private messages and photos to be scanned or have a backdoor to encryption. You're saying this to minimize what's about to happen to Europe, which is not helpful. The NSA made deals with private companies to tap lines, and used its influence…
Thanks for the luck, it got rejected by a single vote, lmao