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Thoughts on slowing the fuck down

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Post by aryehof »

andyferris wrote: post #320
Forgeties79 wrote: post #295

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The thing is though it all still feels so…rudderless/pointless sometimes? When digital cameras came out, it democratized filmmaking immensely . But it wasn’t just people screwing around - amazing new works of art, received positively by audiences and critics alike, exploded in number. They wound up winning film fests, garnering millions of views (and fans) online, and even on big screens world wide, almost immediatel…

Vibe coding is actually "good" for small, bespoke things. The same way that Excel is "good" for small tasks, bad bad for larger things. Too easy to make mistakes, too hard to maintain. I could equally ask - where are all the Excel workbooks that are actually _good_? No-one needs to share their Excel workbooks. They don't need 10k github stars. They just achieve some small goal of the Excel user. These LLM agents just…

> maintaining enterprise software which is what most programmers are employed to do …

I hear little from those involved with enterprise or line-of-business applications discussing their findings. Forums like this are dominated by SAAS, tool makers, computer and data scientists, and infrastructure concerns.

Anyone using AI with large, complex business systems?

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Post by bayindirh »

voidUpdate wrote: post #394
bayindirh wrote: post #393

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What's the problem with using it in the context of AI? Will it get offended, too? Will it track people down and refuse orders, or give poisoned output?

No, but I just feel like calling something by a word that is designed to offend doesn't reflect particularly well on the person saying it, no matter if the target has the ability to comprehend it?

Yeah, that's a good point. I feel the same about the person who talks that way, too.

I personally refrain from offending people on purpose, but not being a native English speaker sometimes betrays me in judging how offensive a word is perceived by the natives.

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Post by hyttioaoa »

Towaway69 wrote: post #124

What the article doesn't touch on is the vendor lock-in that is currently underway. Many corps are now moving to an AI-based development process that is reliant on the big AI providers. Once the codebase has become fully agentic, i.e., only agents fundamentally understand it and can modify it, the prices will start rising. After all, these loss making AI companies will eventually need to recoup on their investments.…

I've been thinking this for a while now as well. If they keep subsidizing for long enough there might be a large gap of humans that changes jobs, didn't get into the field in the first place. Then the only way out is to keep buying those tokens.

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Post by shmobot »

Towaway69 wrote: post #124

What the article doesn't touch on is the vendor lock-in that is currently underway. Many corps are now moving to an AI-based development process that is reliant on the big AI providers. Once the codebase has become fully agentic, i.e., only agents fundamentally understand it and can modify it, the prices will start rising. After all, these loss making AI companies will eventually need to recoup on their investments.…

Lately I also wonder about the geopolitical lock-in and balkanization of the internet. US won't have this problem I guess. But with all that's happening in the world right now and the current trends, for the rest of us we need to think hard what AI company we trust with our data or trust to still have access to once we're on the other side of the wall.

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Post by voidUpdate »

bayindirh wrote: post #402
voidUpdate wrote: post #394

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No, but I just feel like calling something by a word that is designed to offend doesn't reflect particularly well on the person saying it, no matter if the target has the ability to comprehend it?

Yeah, that's a good point. I feel the same about the person who talks that way, too. I personally refrain from offending people on purpose, but not being a native English speaker sometimes betrays me in judging how offensive a word is perceived by the natives.

From what I've seen, the natives don't generally perceive the word as offensive, as it was originally used in star wars (I believe) against fictional robots, and it has since been used against LLMs and such like. But it just seems a bit distasteful, like using a word for someone to try and offend someone, when they dont understand that word in their native language

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Post by pj_mukh »

Towaway69 wrote: post #124

What the article doesn't touch on is the vendor lock-in that is currently underway. Many corps are now moving to an AI-based development process that is reliant on the big AI providers. Once the codebase has become fully agentic, i.e., only agents fundamentally understand it and can modify it, the prices will start rising. After all, these loss making AI companies will eventually need to recoup on their investments.…

"Just like oil prices and the global economy, fundamentally everything is getting better." (implied /s)

I remember having to pay a pretty penny to have a 3 minute conversation with my dad working half way across the world. Now I can video call my nephew for 45 minutes without blinking an eye. What happened?

Why will Intelligence be like Oil and not Broadband?

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Post by convexly »

codybontecou wrote: post #327
convexly wrote: post #326

I started writing down any of the technical decisions I needed to make before implementing them, usually just a sentence or two on what I'm choosing and why. I I looked back after 6 months and the pattern was embarrassing. I spent days agonizing over choices that turned out to be totally reversible and made quick decisions on things that actually mattered.

How did you find patterns between these sentences?

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Post by convexly »

driftnode wrote: post #378
convexly wrote: post #326

I started writing down any of the technical decisions I needed to make before implementing them, usually just a sentence or two on what I'm choosing and why. I I looked back after 6 months and the pattern was embarrassing. I spent days agonizing over choices that turned out to be totally reversible and made quick decisions on things that actually mattered.

The pattern you found between reversible and irreversible decisions is interesting. Did writing them down change how you made decisions going forward or did you just keep making the same mistakes with better documentation? Asking because I have tried something similar and found that knowing my pattern did not actually fix it. I still agonize over the wrong things.

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Post by iso1631 »

shmobot wrote: post #404
Towaway69 wrote: post #124

What the article doesn't touch on is the vendor lock-in that is currently underway. Many corps are now moving to an AI-based development process that is reliant on the big AI providers. Once the codebase has become fully agentic, i.e., only agents fundamentally understand it and can modify it, the prices will start rising. After all, these loss making AI companies will eventually need to recoup on their investments.…

Lately I also wonder about the geopolitical lock-in and balkanization of the internet. US won't have this problem I guess. But with all that's happening in the world right now and the current trends, for the rest of us we need to think hard what AI company we trust with our data or trust to still have access to once we're on the other side of the wall.

> geopolitical lock-in and balkanization of the internet. US won't have this problem I guess

This reminds me of the apocryphal headline from the dying days of the British Empire:

> Fog in Channel; Continent Cut Off

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Post by roveo »

driftnode wrote: post #377
andai wrote: post #182

It occurred to me on my walk today that a program is not the only output of programming. The other, arguably far more important output, is the programmer. The mental model that you, the programmer, build by writing the program. And -- here's the million dollar question -- can we get away with removing our hands from the equation? You may know that knowledge lives deeper than "thought-level" -- much of it lives in mus…

The phone number muscle memory example is perfect. There is a whole category of knowledge you only have if your hands did the work.

It's called "tacit knowledge" and I think we generally overindex on explicit, formal knowledge and ignore tacit knowledge. You can see that with language learning, we treat languages like something you "learn", but in my experience it's closer to a motor skill like playing tennis.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tacit_knowledge

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