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So where are all the AI apps?

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Re: So where are all the AI apps?

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Post by queenkjuul »

turlockmike wrote: post #366
raw_anon_1111 wrote: post #347

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1. An agent is not going to talk to the “business” and solve XYProblems, conflicting agendas, and deal with strategy. I’ve had to push back on people in my own company that want to give customers “questionnaires” to fill out pre engagement and I refuse to do it on any project I lead. An agent can tell facial expressions, uncertainty etc. 2. AI is horrible at system design. One anecdote. I was vibe coding an internal…

Every problem you described is solvable and while it may not be solved right now or even in 6 months it'll probably be solved within 18 months. It's just scaling and tuning the models

In 18 months AI agents will be able to accurately infer people's emotional state from the subtle facial expressions they make in a sales meeting, in real time?

I'll believe it when I see it

Re: So where are all the AI apps?

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Post by chrisandchris »

autotune wrote: post #351
chrisandchris wrote: post #263

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Out of curiosity: What is your USP? Why should I prefer your product over draw.io? IMHO (this may not apply to you!) a lot of people launch a "competitor" of a product which seems to be a clone of the product without improving something that the other product misses/is very bad at.

Specifically because it generates Terraform code along with the diagrams, but I guess it's not the selling point that I thought it would be.

Terraform code for what? I mean, a Draw.IO diagram is basically just XML (so can be versioned anf stuff and so).

Re: So where are all the AI apps?

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Post by pjmlp »

queenkjuul wrote: post #398
pjmlp wrote: post #390

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It still sucks for gaming, those are Windows games running on Proton, not much different from running arcade games with MAME, Amiga games with WinUAE,...

I think it is different. As someone joked, "thanks to Wine, Win32 is the 'stable Linux ABI'" -- translating system calls is a lot different than emulating hardware, and the results prove it

And to target it, studios use Windows alongside Visual Studio.

Re: So where are all the AI apps?

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Post by classified »

dash2 wrote: post #295
thinkharderdev wrote: post #274

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> This is flat-earther level Ok, so do you have a counterexample?

Here's mine. It's not big or important (at all!) but I think it is a perfectly valid app that might be useful to some people. It's entirely vibe-coded including code, art and sounds. Only the idea was mine. https://apps.apple.com/us/app/kaien/id6759458971

This is horrible. Children of that age should not be glued to a computer screen. If handing your kids over to the care of a bot is your idea of parenthood, I'm sure glad I'm not your kid.

Re: So where are all the AI apps?

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Post by spwa4 »

Quite a few AI apps (more like 90% AI apps, surprisingly difficult to get an AI to do anything more than that) are helping educate my kids.

On the one hand, I couldn't hope to do anything close to what I'm doing without AI, on the other hand "write an app to teach me to pass high school exams" is utterly out of reach of current frontier models ...

Re: So where are all the AI apps?

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Post by dash2 »

classified wrote: post #404
dash2 wrote: post #295

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Here's mine. It's not big or important (at all!) but I think it is a perfectly valid app that might be useful to some people. It's entirely vibe-coded including code, art and sounds. Only the idea was mine. https://apps.apple.com/us/app/kaien/id6759458971

This is horrible. Children of that age should not be glued to a computer screen. If handing your kids over to the care of a bot is your idea of parenthood, I'm sure glad I'm not your kid.

The exact point of the app is to be as un-sticky as possible. I deliberately used calm colours, slow transitions, and a simple gameplay routine with a limited shelflife, after seeing how other apps for kids were designed like fruit machines.

If you simply think that children should never be exposed to screens, then I can sympathise with that point of view, but I think it's better to introduce them in a thoughtful and limited way.

Your last sentence is unnecessarily overblown and inflammatory, and adds nothing useful to the discussion.

Re: So where are all the AI apps?

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Post by oblio »

raw_anon_1111 wrote: post #388
oblio wrote: post #387

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OpenAI is losing massive amounts of money and it needs to pay back hundreds of billions. What do you think will happen to that price 5-10 years from now?

A) Whatever company I’m working for then will pay for it. Right now we get a $1000 a month budget a piece on Claude. I just hardly ever use it. B) price of computing always comes down and models will be a commodity C) If I am an independent consultant by then, I’ll just pay for local inference (I work full time for a consulting company now). You can already get a decent local inference Mac for $500/month.

> B) price of computing always comes down and models will be a commodity

Past results are not an indication of future performance. Also funny to say this when hardware costs have spiked.

Re: So where are all the AI apps?

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Post by raw_anon_1111 »

oblio wrote: post #407
raw_anon_1111 wrote: post #388

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A) Whatever company I’m working for then will pay for it. Right now we get a $1000 a month budget a piece on Claude. I just hardly ever use it. B) price of computing always comes down and models will be a commodity C) If I am an independent consultant by then, I’ll just pay for local inference (I work full time for a consulting company now). You can already get a decent local inference Mac for $500/month.

> B) price of computing always comes down and models will be a commodity Past results are not an indication of future performance. Also funny to say this when hardware costs have spiked.

I have been buying computers myself for over 30 years and before that my parents bought my first two computers in 1986 and 1992 (an Apple //e and then a Mac LCII).

I’ve seen RAM and hard drive spikes plenty of times.

Do you really think the cost of compute is not ever going down? BTW, my second computer was $4000 in 1992 for the full setup - Mac LC II with 10 MB RAM (actually 12 with 10 usable), monitor, Apple //e card, 5-1/4 inch drive for the card, laser printer and SoftPC. Thats over $9000 in today’s dollars.

I made more than that on a three week consulting contract I did when I was between jobs. I wouldn’t hesitate to spend around $8000 on equipment if I went independent.

Re: So where are all the AI apps?

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Post by CalRobert »

smakt wrote: post #397
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Well I read the article discussing pypi packages but I think for a lot of people it’s more single use tools. My little apks are ugly and buggy but work for me

This happens every time non-technical users get their hands on technical tools. Just go look at some HyperCard compilation CD: all stacks were horrible, ugly and buggy, but if the author massaged them the right way, they kind of worked, held by spit and prayers. "How to sit people at my wedding" type of garbage. The only good quality HC stacks were the demo ones that came with the program, made by professional develo…

Well, I've been a software developer for 15 years (and cut my teeth on BASIC well before that...) but sometimes I just need something quick and dirty that works. Most people do, actually. And I no longer give a crap about Beautiful Code when I actually just want "like Anki but it let's me watch tv in between quizzing me and I'll delete it when I'm fluent"

You are welcome.

Re: So where are all the AI apps?

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Post by causal »

Schiendelman wrote: post #313
skeeter2020 wrote: post #102

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I spent about a week doing an "experiment" greenfield app. I saw 4 types of issues: 0. It runs way too fast and far ahead. You need to slow it down, force planning only and explicitly present a multi-step (i.e. numbered plan) and say "we'll do #1 first, then do the rest in future steps". take-away: This is likely solved with experience and changing how I work - or maybe caring less? The problem is the model can produ…

I'm a product manager, and a lot of the things I see people do wrong is because they don't have any product management experience. It takes quite a bit of work to develop a really good theory of what should be in your functional spec. Edge cases come up all the time in real software engineering, and often handling all those cases is spread across multiple engineers. A good product manager has a view of all of it, exp…

I'm an engineer and I totally agree. Engineers + LLMs exacerbate the timeless problem of not understanding the reality behind the problem. Validating solutions against reality is hard and LLMs just hallucinate their way around unknowns.
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