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Hormuz Minesweeper – Are you tired of winning?

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Re: Hormuz Minesweeper – Are you tired of winning?

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Post by guzfip »

wholinator2 wrote: post #296
malfist wrote: post #88

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What part of "doing the right thing" is bombing an all girls school?

Okay, let's compare. How many iranians has the regime killed over the last few months. They've said they would continue indiscriminately killing as long as it took, the regime would literally destroy Iran rather than let go of their dreams of Muslim empire. They killed tens of thousands of people. Every persian person i know or have even heard about had been highly supportive of the war, with the singular goal of rep…

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Re: Hormuz Minesweeper – Are you tired of winning?

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Post by convolvatron »

mlsu wrote: post #394
malfist wrote: post #88

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What part of "doing the right thing" is bombing an all girls school?

https://theonion.com/this-war-will-destabilize-the-entire-mi...

I still think often about the article. it was published in the runup to full on invasion of Iraq by Bush Jr. While it certainly was spot on capturing the dynamic of the argument, it was also deeply prescient about the impacts of that war.

and now we find ourselves in nearly the same situation "they will welcome us as liberators", "it will just take two weeks", "the United States was in imminent danger of attack by weapons of mass destruction", "these are really bad totalitarian people and we are morally required to intervene". word for word.

and still, after doing this twice to countries directly to the east and west, and having poured money and blood into the sand to end up in a worse position than before, we're taking another run at it, with even less justification.

before bringing up the fate of the Iranian people, maybe we should look at the Iraquis - they certainly didn't benefit, or the Afghanis, or the Venezuelans to take a more recent example. It takes a special kind of idiot to ignore all that recent history and support this assault.

Re: Hormuz Minesweeper – Are you tired of winning?

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Post by zimpenfish »

hakrgrl wrote: post #166
zimpenfish wrote: post #157

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Secretly-ish - it was announced publicly 7 months prior (Jan 2016) and it was the first instalment of a legal settlement, not just some random or ransom payment. Obviously Republicans decried it with bad faith bullshit because reality and sanity don't matter to them.

"reality and sanity"? The reality is the US gave them cash to improve their living standards and enrich their country, not their uranium. With that money they chose to massacre their own people and fund terrorism across the region. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2026_Iran_massacres

> With that money[...]

Delivered in August 2016.

> ...they chose to massacre their own people...

In 2025-26 according to your link.

I dunno, that's a big chronological gap to bridge for implying a causal relationship to work.

Re: Hormuz Minesweeper – Are you tired of winning?

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Post by franze »

onfir3 wrote: post #203
franze wrote: post #61

here is my version with algo generated levels and you have to navigate a ship from left to right https://strait-sweeper.franzai.com/

Cool! But on level 10 the ship can't move further to the goal although the path is cleared. No movement forward is allowed

fixed. thx for the feeback

Re: Hormuz Minesweeper – Are you tired of winning?

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Post by toast0 »

10xDev wrote: post #251
JackFr wrote: post #240

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Triple tap seems to indicate definitely a mistake in targeting. Despite the war aims being nebulous, illegal, and ever changing, none of them would be advanced by bombing a girls school.

>none of them would be advanced by bombing a girls school. no shit... this is not proof of a mistake.

I don't think it was an intentional decision to target a school. If targetting schools was a goal, there would likely have been many more targetted.

It certainly seems that there was an intentional decision to disband departments in the military last year that were intended to confirm targets are appropriate before a strike (although I can't find a reference now). There's also a lot of reporting that they used AI to do the targetting selection; if so that was an intentional decision to allow for poor selection; especially since it doesn't appear there was validation of targets. There's a lot of intentional decisions to make comments declaring 'no stupid rules of engagement' and such.

I think it's most likely that the intentional decisions led to the situation where the targetting of a school would not be noticed until after the school was hit and international outcry was made, but that doesn't mean it was not a targetting mistake. You can certainly hold people accountable for the decisions that lead to the targetting of a school, at least in the court of public opinion since there's an accountability vacuum in washington DC lately.

There are many examples of targetting mistakes that are excusable. I don't think this is one of them; but that it is inexcusable and was the result of intentional decisions doesn't make it necessarily an intentional act and not a mistake.

Re: Hormuz Minesweeper – Are you tired of winning?

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Post by talideon »

watwut wrote: post #154
lukan wrote: post #69

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Oh, now worries, I can take my bicycle or train whenever possible (like right now). And since I am european, I do not just worry about gasoline, but also that the US actually might attack us at some point, Trump did threaten again over greenland and the last time - it was not just words, danish troops took it serious and were ready to shoot. " https://www.euractiv.com/news/denmark-considered-destroying-... " Unpleasa…

Europe will be affected more then USA by oil prices.

The US is not in a position to process much of the sweet crude it has. Instead, imports sour crude, which is what much of the US's refineries are actually built to handle. This is why Venezuela was such a thorn in the side of the US, as they were one of the major producers and also largely produced sour crude.

As adwn says, it's a globally priced commodity, and the US is not in a position to disentangle itself from that market because in spite of being one of the world's largest producers, US refineries are not in a position to process that product, so it needs to go abroad. The US needs to import significant amounts of sour crude to be refined for their own use.

The US is just as screwed as the rest of us.

Also, the primary worry for Europe isn't oil, it's natural gas.

Re: Hormuz Minesweeper – Are you tired of winning?

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Post by applfanboysbgon »

trimethylpurine wrote: post #377
applfanboysbgon wrote: post #351

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> We tried the nuke deal and they lied and kept building This is a lie. A complete fabrication. Trump says this, completely baselessly, without a shred of evidence, as known liars are wont to do. They allowed inspectors in and not one of them ever suggested they were violating the terms of the deal. > How many have to die for us to decide to act. This is a murky question, but if anybody was going to intervene in a co…

Do you support Khameini's call and platform to fund the export of Islamic Revolution? Do you believe that other countries should be allowed to defend themselves from the import of Khameini's Islamic Revolution? Or did you not know that this was his openly stated purpose? How many people have to die before you start blaming the international community for inaction or worse, you start to feel that the international com…

I don't know why you decided to hop to multiple unrelated threads of conversation with other people while ignoring my reply to you on this subject specifically earlier, but to restate: wholesale violence does not solve terrorism. You already fucking tried this in Afghanistan, and failed, badly. The solution to terrorism is to stop giving people reasons to be terrorists, which means you must stop killing their people and trying to conquer their land/resources, as the US has been engaged in constantly for the entire post-world-war period. A commitment to peace won't make all of the terrorists disappear overnight, so you will have to deal with a long tail of violence against you for years to come, which is known as "consequences for your actions". You have a right to take measures to defend yourself against individual terrorists, but if you ever want actual peace, those measures can't include actions that will create new generations of terrorists, like invading a fucking country, assassinating its leader, bombing schools, sinking ships on diplomatic missions, and destroying infrastructure. Every single one of these actions will create new terrorists who hate your country so much they will lay down their lives to hurt it.

Actually, not only did you ignore my reply, you're ignoring the post you're replying to as well. THIS WAR IS NOT EVEN A REGIME CHANGE WAR. STOP PROJECTING YOUR OWN MOTIVATIONS ONTO THE US GOVERNMENT.

Re: Hormuz Minesweeper – Are you tired of winning?

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Post by franze »

jsnell wrote: post #105
franze wrote: post #61

here is my version with algo generated levels and you have to navigate a ship from left to right https://strait-sweeper.franzai.com/

On Chrome, right-click brings up the context menu in addition to flagging a mine, which basically makes this unplayable. Also the ship is not explained at all (the graphics, the controls, the systems). I'd recommend at least a one paragraph help section in the menu.

fixed

Re: Hormuz Minesweeper – Are you tired of winning?

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Post by trimethylpurine »

applfanboysbgon wrote: post #278
trimethylpurine wrote: post #248

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But if you're getting attacked for 4 decades by another country, do you do something about it or are you saying that's also wrong? My understanding is that the regime in Iran has been terrorizing around the world for decades. It's not just disagreeable. People are seeking justice. It's one thing to dislike another politician. No one needs justice for repugnancy. But if they are committing acts of terror, that's a tot…

The regime in the US has been terrorizing around the world for decades. Among many other things, it overthrew the democratic Iranian government to establish a puppet autocracy in Iran, leading directly to the current one after a revolution. The entire reason Iran funds terrorists that target the US is because the US is an existential threat to it. So your argument basically boils down to "if I shoot someone, and they…

>The regime in the US has been terrorizing around the world

Yeah, that already happened. Now what? How do we stop more kids from getting kidnapped, raped, murdered, or bombed?

Your proposed solution is essentially a leader in every country that has suffered from Iran's terror who can convince his/her people that their kidnapped children are worth it.

Obviously that isn't feasible. But worse, how is that different than saying it's okay for Iran to kidnap children?

Re: Hormuz Minesweeper – Are you tired of winning?

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Post by applfanboysbgon »

trimethylpurine wrote: post #390
applfanboysbgon wrote: post #267

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The war has multiple goals. One of which is explicitly not Iran's nuclear capacity, as confirmed by one of the heads of state invading. > Because normal people can understand the difference between a mistake and intentional acts. Normal people can also understand that some things are too serious to pass off as "oopsie". We have terms like "manslaughter" or "aggravated murder" for when your reckless negligence leads…

Military action always has civilian casualties. All you can do is hope and make effort to reduce them. And I'm glad we're on the side that does that.

You are absolutely not on the side that does that. The US has killed millions of civilians over the past century in all of the wars it's partaken in and pardons its own war criminals, on the very rare occasion it bothers to try them in the first place. Fuck me American propaganda is in another world.
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