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Iran launched unsuccessful attack on UK's Diego Garcia

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Re: Iran launched unsuccessful attack on UK's Diego Garcia

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Post by DoctorOetker »

cardanome wrote: post #111
netsharc wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Unfortunately it's we who will pay the price, with "we" being the entire world, considering the destruction of a lot of oil production infrastructure will cause a price hike for everything.

Well China is still getting Iranian oil no problem. We in the West, well we are aiding the US in this war by allowing it to operate from military bases in our countries. We deserve it for looking the other way while Israel has been mass murdering Palestinians for more than two years now. At least Spain showed some guts. Of course it will also potentially cause suffering in the global south but that is on those that s…

> We deserve it for looking the other way while Israel has been mass murdering Palestinians for more than two years now.

The sad part is how the genocide in Gaza could have been prevented:

Imagine an alternate history, in which successive precedencies didn't turn a blind eye to Iran, imagine a decade ago (regardless of democrat or republican administration) that they decided to do what they are doing today in Iran. Iran wouldn't have had the funds and resources to sponsor Hamas and Hezbollah. The populations in Gaza and Lebanon wouldn't have been sandwiched between the projected powers of Israel and Iran. Their power structures could have been legitimate democracies etc. In that world there wouldn't have been a reason for Israel to attack and invade, and even if they did in this alternate history, the rest of the world would have strongly condemned it to the point of military intervention on behalf of Gaza / Lebanon.

Always take not how a faction has risen to power initially. In the case of Iran's regime it was hostage taking. A faction will very often resort to the same tactics and methods it used during its initial ascent to power, a form of survivorship bias.

If the West hadn't let the situation of Iran rot indefinitely for decades (they even systematically rewarded the regime's behavior by systematically giving in to the hostage politics it conducted, in my opinion they should have just drawn a line and said: return these hostages unconditionally or we treat this as hiding behind a human shield).

Re: Iran launched unsuccessful attack on UK's Diego Garcia

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Post by upcoming-sesame »

surgical_fire wrote: post #380
georgeburdell wrote: post #6

The fact that it was unsuccessful does not make it any less worrying. Iran was a regional problem before the war, but this new escalation shows they’re a threat to the entire world. They might have previously had a chance at a Vietnam or perhaps a Korea-style stalemate

Are you implying other countries have to join in? Iran is only a threat because the US and Israel decided it was time to murder some Iranians. The US and Israel are more of a threat to the entire world.

let's not pretend this attack happened in a vacuum.

Iran has been funding murderous militias like Hezbollah , Houtis and fighting a proxy war for years.

Re: Iran launched unsuccessful attack on UK's Diego Garcia

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Post by DoctorOetker »

Spooky23 wrote: post #253
big-and-small wrote: post #214

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Except it would be very weird goal to achieve because it's only give more reasons to bomb whole country into oblivion and justify deployment of ground troops.

They’re at war. The US and Israel are bombing everything anyway. Strategically, Diego Garcia is a forward operating base for irreplaceable B-52 and B-2 bombers. Placing them at risk on the ground seems like a reckless call, more likely the US pulls those resources back to the US. I’m not rooting for Iran, but since the US has who they have making the calls, Iran has obvious strategic cards to play - escalation benefi…

one missile fails, the other is intercepted

your conclusion: US will pull those resources back?

Re: Iran launched unsuccessful attack on UK's Diego Garcia

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Post by Hikikomori »

srean wrote: post #400
Hikikomori wrote: post #395

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>For HN audience, the report was discussed on HN here He's in there as well, truly unapologetic Zionist.

Ah! Now I feel like an idiot wasting my time. Thanks for the heads up though. Sadly, my country does this too, pay shills to promote their party line on Whatsapp.

Same. While politicians here are not as bad as Germany they provide political cover and interference. I applaud Ireland and Spain.

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Post by maratc »

lm28469 wrote: post #377
breppp wrote: post #43

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After being caught developing nuclear weapons for real numerous times, now it is really for real?

We have Joe Kent on mic saying Iran was not building nukes and posed no threat to the US. The only people saying Iran was just about to get nukes are the Israelis, who've been saying that every 5 years for the last 40 years, and the only people who fell for it are magatards I don't understand how people fall for this shit after the Iraq war scam, which was essentially the exact same propaganda

Well, maybe you have a plausible explanation for why Iran needed 60%-grade enriched uranium -- now that we've firmly established that it clearly was not for building nukes.

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Post by 9991 »

BLKNSLVR wrote: post #178
9991 wrote: post #126

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They're Muslims. You can debate whether that means 'stupid', but they've come to totally erroneous opinions on the structure of reality.

Equal to any other religion?

No, not equal. They're all varying amounts of stupid.

Re: Iran launched unsuccessful attack on UK's Diego Garcia

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Post by cardanome »

xdennis wrote: post #372
cardanome wrote: post #38

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Maybe don't murder the religious leader that made the rulings. Can anyone blame them for considering developing nuclear weapons for real now? I can't.

> Maybe don't murder the religious leader that made the rulings. Are you saying that politicians should be immune if they also serve a religious role?

I am saying it is bad to murder people. Period.

Don't start wars. Don't assassinate neither political nor religious leaders.

Re: Iran launched unsuccessful attack on UK's Diego Garcia

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Post by srean »

Hikikomori wrote: post #404
srean wrote: post #400

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Ah! Now I feel like an idiot wasting my time. Thanks for the heads up though. Sadly, my country does this too, pay shills to promote their party line on Whatsapp.

Same. While politicians here are not as bad as Germany they provide political cover and interference. I applaud Ireland and Spain.

Super impressed by Spain and Ireland. Like as if some European countries have a spine.

I really wish Europe got it's shit together soon.

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Post by upcoming-sesame »

spaghetdefects wrote: post #20
georgeburdell wrote: post #6

The fact that it was unsuccessful does not make it any less worrying. Iran was a regional problem before the war, but this new escalation shows they’re a threat to the entire world. They might have previously had a chance at a Vietnam or perhaps a Korea-style stalemate

Iran was attacked. Israel and the US are the threat, Iran is just practicing very common sense self-defense.

It's easy to assume the war started when Iran was attacked by the US and Israel, but in fact Iran has been fighting a proxy war for decades already and not just with Israel (Hezbollah) but also with Saudi Arabia (Houtis) and more.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran%E2%80%93Israel_proxy_conf...

Re: Iran launched unsuccessful attack on UK's Diego Garcia

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Post by thunky »

CamperBob2 wrote: post #356
thunky wrote: post #304

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Unless you're talking about the US military you're wrong here. MAGA is not willing to sacrifice anything. It's a bully mindset and bullies take, they don't give.

MAGA is not willing to sacrifice anything. They're willing to sacrifice the rest of us, just like the mullahs. As long as other people are hurting more, MAGA is happy to sacrifice whatever is asked of them. It's a literal cult. To understand that, all you have to do is imagine a Biden, an Obama, or a Harris saying and doing the things Trump has said and done in the last 30 days alone. "Some of you may die, and gas pr…

> They're willing to sacrifice the rest of us

It's a transaction: they'll pay more for gas for a month to feel strong and powerful. That's a good exchange. They feel like they're winning. But there's no way they're putting their life on the line for anything.

So no, it's not a sacrifice. If they were to lose their position of strength they'd roll over in a second. Not just the followers but the leaders too. I mean imagine if Hegseth or Trump was captured by Iran. They would shit their pants give them anything they want. Anything to get back to their comfortable bed. Because they have zero principles. You don't need priciples if you're not being tested. That's why bullies bully, because they think there are no consequences.

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