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Illinois Introducing Operating System Account Age Bill
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Re: Illinois Introducing Operating System Account Age Bill
#402I was talking about middle grounds and finding a workable/tolerable solution a few days ago, but as I'm entitled to, I've changed my mind now that I've found out freaking zuckerberg is behind all this. it isn't the will of the people.
That's what has me down about US politics big time. Even the most extreme voices in politics (warren, sanders, aoc,etc..) don't even come close to holding these people accountable. I don't care about taxing them, I care about prison time for interfering with a democracy like this (not retroactively of course). No one is even entertaining properly criminalizing such behavior. Even they made it illegal, they'll just make it a fine a billionaire can pay like an oopsie parking ticket.
These ruling class types have always been there, and human nature is such that they will always be there. But you have to understand, this isn't feudal era England, the government and society isn't built to tolerate them. Their behavior as such is parasitical and only leads to destruction of society. In their parasitism, they've fooled themselves into believing their wealth can shield them. But the nature of the parasite is such that it can't live without a viable host.
Whatever you believe about billionaires controlling politicians, it's much much worse than you think.
Re: Illinois Introducing Operating System Account Age Bill
#403This coordinated state level attack on the legislative process is crazy. These people can't seem to be bothered to do the basics of governing, but they always find time to do this cross-state nightmare fuel.
It is a fault in part in the government designed with bits and pieces of "honor system" and "well no one will ever do that!"; and the governed unable or unwilling to enact consequences.
Re: Illinois Introducing Operating System Account Age Bill
#404The law as is written mainly targets social media platforms. For an OS to comply, all it needs to do is provide a field during account creation that records the user's date of birth as supplied by the user. There is no onus on the operator to confirm the veracity of this information, or even record it anywhere other than the local OS install itself. I think we're safe.
Several issues, one OS developers will likely use this to fully identify all users. Apple, Google and Microsoft would rather have legal identities tied to all activity, and this is an easy pretext. Second, there's no certainty about how courts might interpret compliance. If the intent of the law is to positively identify minors, a user editable field may not be interpreted as sufficient to comply. We don't know what…
And we will finally have the year of the Linux desktop!
Re: Illinois Introducing Operating System Account Age Bill
#405Earlier quoted context omitted.
> The point is that you can't just externalize age verification and expect that data to never be sent to facebook facebook and similar social media companies have a ton of ways to get peoples age and or to narrow it down. > either way, in the end facebook will know that your child is 6-9. The main point of the law is not about restricting facebook or similar operator in the laws lanuage from knowing user ages. Though…
> facebook and similar social media companies have a ton of ways to get peoples age and or to narrow it down... May not matter much for facebook or similar, it matters a bunch for any random website/forum/service you might sign up for You're right about that. There are websites and services that won't have the kind of data needed to identify an individual using the age bracket data, and there are those who could do i…
> I didn't see that anywhere in the text...
You are right it is hard to use it for anything else though given the constraints.
> An operator that receives a signal in accordance with 20this Section shall use that signal to comply with this Section 21but shall not: 22 (1) request more information from an operating system 23 provider or a covered application store than the minimum 24 amount of information necessary to comply with this 25 Section;
You know the age bracket but nothing else and are not allowed to store more data on the topic to figure anything out. So you can not legally figure out someones age by keeping track of when they change age brackets.
> In fact they don't define at all what "obtaining verifiable parental consent" should or shouldn't involve.
It is the "Account holder". The user that set up the account and provide the age is considered the parent or legal guardian.
Re: Illinois Introducing Operating System Account Age Bill
#406If I’m not mistaken, Meta has been lobbying heavily for all of these age-verification bills lately. It seems their strategy is to externalize their responsibility to verify age themselves, and thus reduce their exposure to liabilities when child protection acts like COPPA are violated.
It should be externalized to a degree. Facebook shouldn't be the ones verifying age, but there should be a trusted 3rd party service that does that, which just tells facebook "yes this user is old enough to use your service" or "no they're not old enough". It abso-fucking-lutely should not be at the OS level though, for so many reasons. Even the implementation alone would be a nightmare. Do I need to input my ID to u…
If social media, alcohol, drugs, gambling, phones are so, so, so bad for children. Just ban them from children.
We were completely fine 30 years ago without any phone. They will survive. They will probably thrive because now they have to learn how to hack the system.
Instead, we just give them everything they need and all the thinking they do is scrolling.
Re: Illinois Introducing Operating System Account Age Bill
#407Earlier quoted context omitted.
I don't know what you're talking about, but it's not what this kind of bill is about. This kind of bill is about the OS telling things whether you're: 0-12, 13-15, 16-17, 18+ No databases, no stealable identity, only the barest sliver of 2 bits of PII. As for how it's an improvement, we already have sites asking to see your driver's license or pictures of your face for much worse age verification paradigms. If most o…
How does the OS know that you moved from the "13-15" bracket to the "16-17" bracket without knowing your DoB? And this is the thin edge. Because in a few years there'll be a bill saying something like "too many children are lying about their age online. We need to verify their age" and then we're capturing IDs and storing them somewhere.
> How does the OS know that you moved from the "13-15" bracket to the "16-17" bracket without knowing your DoB?
No one says it has to be automatic. The OS could require the parent to manually update it.
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#408Earlier quoted context omitted.
Does "the government doesn't get to decide what people can look at on the internet" count as C or D to you? It is the situation we've been in technically for 20 years now anyway; the world hasn't ended and it generally seems to be pretty workable. The status quo isn't an especially radical one.
20 years ago was only 2006. The internet has been around for much longer. The first consumer focused ISPs launched in the early 90’s, 35 years ago, but CompuServe and others were providing access to chat and BBS’s in the 80s. I’d say nearly 50 years is precedent enough that government intervention is unnecessary.
Yeah but most people weren't on the internet access in the early 90s. It is more a 2005+ phenomenon.
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#409Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Slippery slopes are a logical fallacy. Every single decision moving you down the slope is intentional. First they came for the Communists And I did not speak out Because I was not a Communist Then they came for the Socialists And I did not speak out Because I was not a Socialist Then they came for the trade unionists And I did not speak out Because I was not a trade unionist Then they came for the Jews And I did no…
This poem should be updated for modern sensibilities: First they came for the Communists And I was like fuck those Commies Because I was not a Communist ditto ditto ditto Then they came for me And what the fuck bro this is totally not what I voted for
duh
Re: Illinois Introducing Operating System Account Age Bill
#410Earlier quoted context omitted.
How does the OS know that you moved from the "13-15" bracket to the "16-17" bracket without knowing your DoB? And this is the thin edge. Because in a few years there'll be a bill saying something like "too many children are lying about their age online. We need to verify their age" and then we're capturing IDs and storing them somewhere.
> How does the OS know that you moved from the "13-15" bracket to the "16-17" bracket without knowing your DoB? No one says it has to be automatic. The OS could require the parent to manually update it.
So the kid boots up linux off a USB stick and makes it all pointless