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Palestinian boy, 12, describes how Israeli forces killed his family in car

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Re: Palestinian boy, 12, describes how Israeli forces killed his family in car

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wk_end wrote: post #144
bhouston wrote: post #49

For those wondering, it is verifiable story, it is covered as fact in Israeli newspapers: https://www.timesofisrael.com/israeli-forces-kill-west-bank-... https://www.ynetnews.com/article/p7mq5k5bs The main justification floated is that the car was "going fast" and thus made the undercover Israeli soldiers feel unsafe. The New York Times describes it as such: "Ali Bani Odeh’s wife and four young boys hadn’t seen him i…

The situation in the West Bank (and similar forces are at play in Gaza, too) remind me of what's wrong with American policing, at a far more extreme scale. The people charged with enforcing the peace deploy lethal force with near impunity at the slightest "provocation" (a child throwing a stone, a car driving too fast); I wouldn't be surprised if IDF forces deployed to the West Bank are trained much like American pol…

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Re: Palestinian boy, 12, describes how Israeli forces killed his family in car

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Post by alee08 »

vortegne wrote: post #398
TacticalCoder wrote: post #366

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The crazy double standard is you telling absolutely verifiable lies and feeling completely fine and righteous about it.

Really? Verifiable lies? Please share your source to help us understand which one to trust.

AFAIK, his points are all well-documented and properly referenced on Wikipedia: 1) 1200 people slaughtered, referenced over 450 times: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/October_7_attacks 2) Islamic Republic of Iran slaughtered 30 000 unarmed civilians, referenced over 240 times: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2026_Iran_massacres

Re: Palestinian boy, 12, describes how Israeli forces killed his family in car

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Post by monegator »

pipes wrote: post #44
monegator wrote: post #36

If anything, it's refreshing to see something that isn't about the latest apple / llm / current techbro trend bullshit

I can go to Reddit for that.

nah, leddit can collapse any day and i would not even notice.

Re: Palestinian boy, 12, describes how Israeli forces killed his family in car

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Post by manyaoman »

YeGoblynQueenne wrote: post #358
IncreasePosts wrote: post #252

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Why does Gaza get 10x the coverage on HN and other social media well, when what has been happening in Sudan in the same time period is 10x worse? (The 10x coverage number is from algolia hn search, the 10x worse number is from reported killings in the past year)

That's a legitimate question and it has no good answer. Not just Sudan. There is an ongoing genocide in Myanmar, against the Rohingya. There is an ongoing genocide against the Uyghurs in china. None of those get nearly the amount of coverage the genocide in Gaza gets, or, now the war in Iran and Lebanon. I have no idea why. I have recently started to grow a bit paranoid and wonder whether I am being manipulated by th…

If you really cared about those other conflicts, I'd expect to see you mention them more often in your comments. Are you sure you actually care about them or you just want people to stop talking about Gaza?

Re: Palestinian boy, 12, describes how Israeli forces killed his family in car

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Post by manyaoman »

mhb wrote: post #287
wreath wrote: post #205

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> i see how one they cannot think and feel clearly anymore if your neighbours dream constantly about your elimination. All sides just need to stop with that hatred. It leads to so much pain. I think by now we all know this is a straw man, considering the disproportionate amount of power both parties have. There is absolutely no excuse left for what Israel has been doing in Gaza.

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What's wrong with their charter?

Re: Palestinian boy, 12, describes how Israeli forces killed his family in car

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Post by ngcazz »

TacticalCoder wrote: post #366
jll29 wrote: post #124

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A certain amount of politics should/must be tolerated on HN, because you cannot compartmentalize technology, politics and morality. No-one, not even people who say they like technology but do not care about politics, should be able to live their life wihtout knowing that we live in a world where six-year old blind children are murdered with automatic assault rifles. (For the same reason that no-one should be able to…

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Like the other commenter has said, the reason there are no such stories is that they would be hypocritical BS, and I'll add, designed to manufacture consent for unlawful military action against a sovereign nation.

The perennially genocidal occupying force controlling all aspects of Palestinian life including forcing them into a subsistence diet, "mowing the lawn" in Gaza every so often, shooting down peaceful unarmed protesters - some of them disabled - and all that before 7/Oct - has no right to complain about terrorism, for it's what it has inflicted on Palestinians for decades.

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Post by hjkl0 »

olelele wrote: post #356
nailer wrote: post #329

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There are horrific acts on both sides going back very very far. I grew up in a country with a relatively balanced media reporting on the issue and have tried my best to stay informed. Suicide bombings, bus hijackings, mass murders. The inequality in force applied has still been a constant. Also, the fact is that any peace deal has been made impossible by the hunting down and killing of anyone that could actually hold…

> i am very doubtful there will ever be a peaceful solution.

I wonder if there’s room for any actual discussion here. This topic is damned from the first upvote.

Curious what people’s thoughts are about a non-peaceful solution.

For example, do you think that other countries should send their militaries over to help one of the sides win?

Re: Palestinian boy, 12, describes how Israeli forces killed his family in car

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Post by Traster »

fennecbutt wrote: post #243

Eh, tbh I've given up. Can't point out the terrible things that the IDF are up to without being labelled an apologist, or terrorist supporter, or just getting a massively negative reaction. Now I'm not one to fall prey to the conspiracy theories around Judaism...but like...is it not possible to say that both hamas and the IDF do terrible things? And that innocent civilians are caught in between, with the usual bad fa…

I feel something very similar. I have strong views that what Israel is doing is wrong. But I look around at our politics (in the UK), and there is such a well oiled Israeli PR operation that is very happy making career ending accusations that talking publicly about this is actually quite dangerous (Not helped by the loonies who are, and have always been disgusting anti-semites). And you look at our politician's stance on it - and the career of people like Lord Walney, and it's clear we're in a very dangerous place. I think there is a very wide gap between what the average British person actually believes about Israel and what is happening to the Palestinians, and the acceptable positions you can express in Westminster. I also fear that once the dam breaks, and it's no longer the case, that the swing back against Israel is going to be quick harsh, and that's difficult because I have friends and family in Israel - I would like to see Israel be a free and open liberal democracy that shares what used to be western values, but maybe we're too late for that.

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Post by archdang »

haunter wrote: post #72
itsangaris wrote: post #53

I see people saying this story doesn't belong on HN. genuine question, if this story were about a german national would it be considered as political? is palestinian existence inherently more political than other peoples' existence?

I'm saying this as someone who doesn't really care about this certain topic: Either we allow _all_ political content or nothing. The HN guidelines are incredibly grey and handwave-y >Off-Topic: Most stories about politics, or crime, or sports, or celebrities, unless they're evidence of some interesting new phenomenon. If they'd cover it on TV news, it's probably off-topic. To me HN became to big for its own good sinc…

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Post by Hikikomori »

GalaxyNova wrote: post #23
mygooch wrote: post #12

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Zionism is the idea that the Jewish people deserve a national state. Being anti-Zionist is equivalent to wanting Israel to not exist as a national state.

And why do they? There's minorities in almost all countries that doesn't have their own state. It's not unusual. What is unusual is creating a state on land where other people already live and then turns guns on them.
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