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Post by SilverElfin »

hakrgrl wrote: post #292

1.5 hours after this was posted, Sam Altman stated openai will work with the DoW. So much for this waste of a domain name. https://x.com/sama/status/2027578652477821175 "Tonight, we reached an agreement with the Department of War to deploy our models in their classified network. "

Greg Brockman who cofounded OpenAI is the biggest donor to Trump’s PAC. Altman claims they kept the same restrictions as Anthropic essentially. So my conclusion is OpenAI successfully bribed the government into ditching Anthropic and viciously attacking them by abusing their power (supply chain risk).

Probably the most corrupt way of killing a competitor I’ve heard of.

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Post by qdotme »

skissane wrote: post #379
Gigachad wrote: post #299

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Something doesn’t make sense here. His tweet claims he has exactly the same restrictions that Anthropic had.

This tweet (from Under Secretary of State Jeremy Lewin) explains it: https://x.com/UnderSecretaryF/status/2027594072811098230 https://xcancel.com/UnderSecretaryF/status/20275940728110982... The OpenAI-DoW contract says "all lawful uses", and then reiterates the existing statutory limits on DoW operations. So it basically spells out in more detail what "all lawful uses" actually means under existing law. Of course, I…

Well, or just the possibility of future-proofing the agreement in favor of the US government, as well as walking back the slippery slope of „no autonomic lethality” and „no mass surveillance”.

The former, grants the Congress the ability to change the definition of all „lawful use” as democratically mandated (if the war is officially declared, if the martial law is officially declared).

The latter, is subtle. There can exist a human responsibility for lethal actions taken by fully autonomous AI - the individual who deploys it, for instance, can be made responsible for the consequences even if each individual „pulling of a trigger” has no human in the loop (Dario’s PoV unacceptable).

Similarly, and less subtly, acceptance of foreign mass surveillance, domestic surveillance (as long as its lawful and not meeting the unlawful mass surveillance limits!) seems to be more in the Pentagon’s favor.

Whether we like it or not, we’re heading into some very unstable time. Anthropic wanted to anchor its performance to stable (maybe stale) social norms, Pentagon wanted to rely on AI provider even as we change those norms.

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Post by snickerbockers »

daxfohl wrote: post #287
david_shaw wrote: post #195

I'd prefer to see board (or executive) level signatories over lay employees -- the people who can enforce enterprise policy rather than just voice their opinions -- but this is encouraging to see nonetheless. I can't help but notice that Grok/X is not part of this initiative, though. I realize that frontier models are really coming from Anthropic, OpenAI, and Google, but it feels like someone is going to give in to t…

Or just reincorporate in Finland or something. If the US is going to be this hostile to business, time to gtfo.

Or they can just not sign contracts with the DoD. They landed themselves in this situation by making a deal with the devil. At any rate, unless Finland is about to announce a massive surge in funding for their military this doesn't solve Anthropic's desire to suckle sweet taxpayer money off the military industrial complex's teat while simultaneously pretending to have principles.

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Post by qdotme »

m3kw9 wrote: post #382
Jensson wrote: post #339

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sam probably told them they can renegotiate those restrictions in a year or so when the drama has died down.

Is not shady, the systems are not ready for that kind of task esp autonomous hunting. Is smart negotiations, plus Sam would have used the Anthropic situation against them saying you can’t designate all AI top American AI companies supply chain risk etc. it’s complete idiocy the would do that anyways

Ready at what level, though. The subtleties are what matters.

It’s well established that belligerents can use mines, to separate the tactical decision of deploying for purposes of area denial; from the snap-second lethal decision (if one can stretch that definition) to detonate in response to an triggering event.

Dario’s model prohibits using AI to decide between enemy combatant and an innocent civilian (even if the AI is bad at it, it is better than just detonating anyways); Sam’s model inherits the notion that the „responsible human” is one that decided to mine that bridge; and AI can make the kill decision.

How is that fundamentally different in the future war where an officer might make a decision to send a bunch of drones up; but the drones themselves take on the lethal choice of enemy/ally/no-combatant engagement without any human in the loop? ELI5 why we can’t view these as smarter mines?

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Post by hedayet »

mrcwinn wrote: post #122
dang wrote: post #99

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Personal attacks aren't allowed here. Perhaps you don't owe AI tycoons whose names start with A better, but you owe this community better if you're participating in it. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

I see comments like this all the time on HN, including between community members. Why are you showing up now? Altman may be former YC and friends with Paul Graham, but he’s nevertheless a public figure and does plenty to deserve ridicule. Are we allowed, for example, to call Trump an insecure man with orange skin and tiny hands? Is that a violation of our allowed speech?

Altman is also on Paul Graham's legendary founders list. I hope that clears up a thing or two.

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Post by jkaplowitz »

Tadpole9181 wrote: post #332
Gigachad wrote: post #299

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Something doesn’t make sense here. His tweet claims he has exactly the same restrictions that Anthropic had.

Well tweets aren't legally binding, so chances are he's just outright lying so they can have their cake (DoD contracts) and eat it too (no bad PR)

> Well tweets aren't legally binding

There's nothing in general about a tweet that makes it any more or less legally binding than any other public communication, and they certainly can be used in legally binding ways. But sure, a simple assertion to the public from the CEO of a privately held company about what a separate contract says is not legally binding - whether through tweet, blog, press release, news interview, or any other method.

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Post by nobody_r_knows »

busko wrote: post #313
hakrgrl wrote: post #292

1.5 hours after this was posted, Sam Altman stated openai will work with the DoW. So much for this waste of a domain name. https://x.com/sama/status/2027578652477821175 "Tonight, we reached an agreement with the Department of War to deploy our models in their classified network. "

For those who don't use X: https://xcancel.com/sama/status/2027578652477821175

Redirect every tweet to x-cancel link: https://chromewebstore.google.com/detail/xcancelcom-redirect...

Saves you the hastle of visiting that shit-show.

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