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The EU moves to kill infinite scrolling

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Re: The EU moves to kill infinite scrolling

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Post by gpm »

Matticus_Rex wrote: post #393
gpm wrote: post #255

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't think we have a right to a business model. Either you figure one out for your particular site (selling access to the website, donations, etc) or you don't and stop and either is ok.

I think we have rights to do lots of things that banning this business model would violate.

I assume you're primarily referring to freedom of expression? I take the view that it doesn't include the freedom to pay people to carry a particular message so long as the restriction on paying is neutral as to the content of the message, but I can certainly respect the view that it does.

My comment about not having a right to business models is in some ways more general. Regardless of whether this business model is protected for some other reason, business models in general aren't, and it's a common flawed argument that they are.

Re: The EU moves to kill infinite scrolling

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Post by hinkley »

jjcm wrote: post #64

Here's the actual statement from the European Comission: https://ec.europa.eu/commission/presscorner/detail/en/ip_26_... It's important to note they aren't creating laws against infinite scrolling , but are ruling against addictive design and pointing to infinite scrolling as an example of it. The wording here is fascinating, mainly because they're effectively acting as arbiters of "vibes". They point to certain feat…

I’m trying to think of what use I’d make of infinite scroll that would specifically not be for addictive purposes. Maybe ticket backlogs?

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Post by johnnyanmac »

ahallock wrote: post #367
gchamonlive wrote: post #280

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Regulation is freedom. Think of ads powering the web as current day's lead in gas.

Regulation is freedom? Peace is war, too, I guess.

What we have now sure it's freedom. Let's try having our tax dollars work for us this time.

Re: The EU moves to kill infinite scrolling

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Post by jack_pp »

ahallock wrote: post #367
gchamonlive wrote: post #280

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Regulation is freedom. Think of ads powering the web as current day's lead in gas.

Regulation is freedom? Peace is war, too, I guess.

Restricting freedom of bad actors means enhancing freedom of everyone else.

Say a a kid started throwing tantrums at school. By not punishing/ removing him you restrict the freedom of everyone else.

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Post by foxygen »

mrtksn wrote: post #362
tcfhgj wrote: post #343

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There's already free ad-free social media, see countless services in the fediverse

Who pays for the costs of those and why?

There are many Mastodon servers run by ordinary people simply because they want to. And before the shit-show the internet has become, there were many forums and IRC channels, absolutely free, and with 0 ads.

Re: The EU moves to kill infinite scrolling

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Post by johnnyanmac »

coldtea wrote: post #250
ahallock wrote: post #240

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Banning ads? That's just so authoritarian and absurd. I hope you never become king

Have we come to such a low cultural point that ads are seen as some kind of basic human right? Fuck ads. What's absurd is tolerating them and the damage they do to media, consumers, kids, lesser and/or more honest businesses, culture, products, and so on all the way to the Windows and macOS system UIs.

We're on a startup entrepreneur site. I'm not surprised it's seen as the lifeblood of the industry here. It sort of is.

At the same time, this has the same energy of "if we release all the files, the system will collapse". Maybe we need the billionaires to feel some pain sometimes (even if yes, we'll feel more overall).

Re: The EU moves to kill infinite scrolling

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Post by layer8 »

AnthonyMouse wrote: post #244
layer8 wrote: post #237

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There are legal definitions of advertising, I’m sure the courts will be able to figure it out.

The "legal definition of advertising" is the thing you have to write into the law you want to enact. If you can't answer the question as the proponent of the proposal then how is a judge expected to do it?

I’m saying that these definitions already exist, and are being appllied by courts. It’s not a novel concept. I’m also not interested in arguing about exact definitions. We all know well enough what an ad is, in particular the kind we don’t want to see when browsing the web. My main point was to illustrate how I don’t consider this to be a free speech issue.
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